[permaculture] Similarities between the Jesus Movement at itsorigin and the Permaculture movement

Robert Waldrop bwaldrop at cox.net
Wed Dec 26 12:34:02 EST 2007

I'd also like to point out that the Catholic 
Church is a very big tent, it is the largest world 
human cultural institution.  It has been around 
for a long time and will not be going away soon. 
The church has gone through an examination of its 
corporate conscience and a repentance process 
about its many sins, which is more than we can say 
about most other human cultural institutions. 
Since I work for a Catholic church as a parish 
musician, I am as aware as anybody of the faults 
of the Catholic Church, yet the actual reality is 
much more complex.

Benedict XVI is continuing a process set in motion 
by JP II to call Catholics to a greater awareness 
of our responsibility to care for creation. 
During his sermon at midnight mass in the Vatican 
this year, he compared the stable and the manger 
where Christ was born to the world, polluted by 
the abuse of energy. . .

"Gregory of Nyssa, in his Christmas homilies, 
developed the same vision setting out from the 
Christmas message in the Gospel of John: "He 
pitched his tent among us" (Jn 1:14). . .  What 
would he say if he could see the state of the 
world today, through the abuse of energy and its 
selfish and reckless exploitation? Anselm of 
Canterbury, in an almost prophetic way, once 
described a vision of what we witness today in a 
polluted world whose future is at risk: 
"Everything was as if dead, and had lost its 
dignity, having been made for the service of those 
who praise God. The elements of the world were 
oppressed, they had lost their splendour because 
of the abuse of those who enslaved them for their 
idols, for whom they had not been created" (PL 
158, 955f.). Thus, according to Gregory's vision, 
the stable in the Christmas message represents the 
ill-treated world. What Christ rebuilds is no 
ordinary palace. He came to restore beauty and 
dignity to creation, to the universe: this is what 
began at Christmas and makes the angels rejoice."

My faith journey in Roman Catholicism is what led 
me to permaculture and keeps me going.  So as much 
as we want to make things black and white, 
either-or, reality continues to surprise us with 
its complexity.

Bob Waldrop
Oscar Romero Catholic Worker House
Oklahoma City

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Gregory Konger" <gjkonger at yahoo.com>
To: <permaculture at lists.ibiblio.org>
Sent: Wednesday, December 26, 2007 11:14 AM
Subject: Re: [permaculture] Similarities between 
the Jesus Movement at itsorigin and the 
Permaculture movement

> It is true that the early Catholic Church became 
> more like the empire that oppressed it. 
> However, Pope John Paul, the one who just died 
> not too long ago, did apologize about the 
> crusades, the inquisition, and other 
> in-the-name-of-Christianity violence.  We have 
> to remember that the true christian disciplines 
> of abstinence that the Catholic Church and other 
> churches teach are very beneficial to the 
> environment and each other.  By abstaining from 
> sex, food, and other questionable pleasures or 
> work, we reduce the amount of destruction done 
> to the environment and to each other.  The 
> Catholic church or any other church is not 
> perfect and is not in the know as much as the 
> permaculture movement, but the church does 
> reform.  It has reformed since the times of 
> Luther, and it will continue to be reformed.
> Greg Konger

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