[permaculture] politics and permies

Katey newtribe at hughes.net
Wed Dec 5 17:34:51 EST 2007

Gee, Scott, since your name isn't even mentioned in the email exchange 
below i'm not sure how your ego managed to make it all about you.  Go 


Katey Culver
ecoville architechs

Scott Pittman wrote:
> Due to linguistic advantage and some's lack of ability to read without
> reading into, my flummoxedness has reached critical mass and I am retiring
> from the "politics and permies" thread.
> I leave with this caveat:  None of my communications have been personal
> aside from the fact that I am responding to a person or persons who
> addressed my communications personally.  I originally entered this
> "discussion" because the subject interests me and I continued the
> conversation in the vain hope that I could bring clarity to what I consider
> a gross misreading of my written word.  I must plead guilty to
> "passionately" pursuing my beliefs regarding this thread. As far as there
> being "cliques" and other pc conspiratorial groups behind my communications
> I can only say, and I mean this in a loving way, Hogwash!
> Scott Pittman
> Director
> Permaculture Institute
> www.permaculture.org
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Katey [mailto:newtribe at hughes.net] 
> Sent: Monday, December 03, 2007 3:42 PM
> To: permaculture
> Subject: Re: [permaculture] politics and permies
> Stella wrote:
>> given what ONE Ghandi was able to do, or one Martin Luther King, in 
>> terms of social change .. I think we should seriously ask ourselves 
>> why, with so many permaculturists loose ... we haven´t re-designed 
>> society yet.
>> it´s only  a revolutionary system of design if some revolution actually 
>> happens.
> What did one Gandhi or one MLK Jr do?  Got themselves killed for one.  
> Revolutions don't change things, not really.  They have failed humans 
> miserably through the ages as the elite rule of civilization has marched 
> steadfastly onward, side stepping here and there, but always 
> relentlessly onward.
> After the British pulled out Gandhi saw the destruction of the nation he 
> was trying to free.  And it did not happen through non-violence and 
> peaceable means.
> MLK Jr, Medgar Evers, and so many others lost  their lives for the 
> "gains" we made in civil rights (ask the Jena 6 how far we've come).  
> Jesse and Al, standing right at King's side, learned quickly not to rock 
> the boat too hard.  Definitely not hard enough to evoke change, lest you 
> be killed.
> We will change the paradigm, not through revolution, but through 
> evolution.  It will take switching the mindset of enough humans to 
> create the kind of change we need to see.  And i agree that permaculture 
> is a great tool for that.  It might be way too slow for most of the 
> species on the planet currently (including our own), but that shouldn't 
> stop us from doing what we know in our hearts, guts and minds is a great 
> healing.  And do it as a political statement!
> ~katey
> Katey Culver
> ecoville architechs
> www.earthandstraw.com
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