[permaculture] a side note

Martin Naylor martinwnaylor at yahoo.com.au
Wed Sep 13 21:32:12 EDT 2006

  This is full on topic, without people you have no permaculture, this is just another step along the way of creating fortress states.

Johnathan Avery Yelenick <yelenick at riseup.net> wrote:
  a little off topic, but important to know:

On August 3, the US Senate ratified the Convention on Cybercrime[1].
This paves the way for greater international cooperation on
cybersecurity issues... doesn't sound so bad until you hear that the
Electronic Frontier Foundation (EFF) calls this "the world's worst
internet law."

According to the EFF[2]:

> The treaty requires that the U.S. government help enforce other
> countries' 'cybercrime' laws--even if the act being prosecuted is not
> illegal in the United States(!!) That means that countries that have
> laws limiting free speech on the Net could oblige the F.B.I. to
> uncover the identities of anonymous U.S. critics, or monitor their
> communications on behalf of foreign governments. American ISPs would
> be obliged to obey other jurisdictions' requests to log their users'
> behavior without due process, or compensation.

Unlike in the EU, the law in the US still allows for the general
practice of keeping no logs. In fact, we have developed a lot of
software to make this possible[3]. However, this law could make it so
that we might be ordered to begin logging at the behest of a foreign

As usual, we will keep you updated on this law and our evolving police

[1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Convention_on_Cybercrime
[2] http://www.eff.org/deeplinks/archives/004864.php
[3] http://dev.riseup.net/privacy

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