[permaculture] Re: looking for GBurnett permaculture pages

Graham grahamburnett at blueyonder.co.uk
Thu May 26 15:18:06 EDT 2005

Hi sean- cheers for all the help! I have the pictures on my hard drive 
but not the little site I put together- Reconstructing the site will 
mean quite alot of changes as the unisonfree addresses on the site are 
now well out of date as are some other details- i'll also redeisn the 
pages to 'market' my PC for beginners Guide a bit more effectively (its 
not clear that the site is extracts from the book until the last page at 
the moment)

Cheers Graham www.spiralseed.co.uk

Sean Maley wrote:

>I have the pictures and have already offered them to
>Graham.  It sounds like the site can be easily
>recovered.  This is a good example of how working
>together can benefit us all.  Perhaps this would be a
>good time to review an offer for the web-site hosting
>As it stands, many of us face the same options for
>starting a web site; $3 to $40 per year for the name
>and anywhere from advertising infested free to perhaps
>$20/mo for a high quality, ad free host.  For what
>most of the current sites accomplish, you shouldn't be
>paying any more than $25 to $75 per year when all is
>said and done.  This is for each domain, where some of
>us have several.
>Some of us have permanent high speed connections that
>we could be offering as a host for permaculture web
>sites, bringing costs for these sites to less than
>$10/year for those willing to risk more frequent down
>time (what if they loose a connection while on
>vacation?).  Somebody pays the $50/mo, but they would
>be doing that anyway, so it wouldn't be fair to pass
>along costs you would pay anyway.
>The next better option is having an existing business
>use one of their hosts for a site, as PIW does with
>ibiblio.  This is great if you can get it, but isn't
>going to be available to us all.  Even further is the
>loss of system administration privileges we would have
>with a private host.  I haven't found an ecovillage
>able to economically tap into the internet either.
>For the rest of us, we must either deal with the ads,
>deal with the host software provided, pay for a
>managed host ($50 to $150 per month), or open a shared
>office space with appropriate internet connectivity
>(at least $300/mo to do it right).  With the cost
>spread amongst several parties, say ten, these numbers
>become $5/mo to $30/mo per site, which is what many do
>Since first making a request for a permaculture
>hosting coop, I have found many opportunities to make
>these numbers even more favorable.  Here in NYC we
>have a few dozen CSA groups connected with a similar
>number of farms and businesses.  My CSA turned out to
>be paying $95/yr for their web site, or the equivalent
>of ten groups paying a total of $79+/mo for a simple
>site.  With many more sites than ten, these CSA groups
>could band together, much like we can, to save money.
>If we have several groups around the world, we can
>additionally archive our sites within a network of
>hosts.  When a host goes out of commission, it is a
>simple matter to point the domain to a working host
>within the network.  If a rogue government seizes
>equipment, as we have seen recently, the site/data are
>preserved all over the world.  Down time can be
>limited to mere hours, even with cable modem hosts and
>FBI agents.  It is also a reasonably simple task to
>automate switching the sites over to the functioning
>hosts when these outages are detected.
>Who would like to participate in a cooperative network
>of permaculture sites?  I propose one or more of our
>501c3 (and the non-USA equivalents) permaculture
>organizations establish a trust at the PCU (or
>equivalent foreign bank) for managed servers.  If
>there is an ecovillage available with proper internet
>connectivity, then even better, because a data center
>would be great to heat a commercial composting
>facility.  Remember, all I am proposing is that we
>take money we are already spending and pool it
>together for a more wise investment supporting each
>--- Jean Luc Girard <jeanlucgirard at online.fr> wrote:
>>Dan Moore wrote:
>>Yes I tried this and some other, and managed to
>>recover most of all pages.
>>Only a couple of pictures are missing (maybe the
>>biggest ?)
>>I sent all to Graham !
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