[permaculture] "Free" Permacuture

Arina Pittman arina at ecoversity.org
Thu Aug 18 20:39:52 EDT 2005

Thanks for your reply Graham - please forward to the UK folks. I vaguely
remember hearing about it at my class, back in 1995 (?) with Bill Mollison
and Scott Pittman. But, then - my command of English was somewhat weak at
that time - so I am not sure if I heard it right. 

I assumed it was part of pc ethics, that teacher waives his/her fee.... the
rest of cost must be still paid for (food, lodging, advertisement, handouts,
etc). The idea sounds consistent with the ethics - if the class is full, why
not allow someone to sit on, pay for ALL other expenses and refresh the
memory. The third ethic - share of surplus. 

The main question is: is this rule upheld by the pc community at large or on
a voluntary basis? Is it or is it not part of the conduct in pc world?

Arina M. Pittman
Managing Director

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Subject: Re: [permaculture] "Free" Permacuture

Arina Pittman wrote:

>Greetings, Permies
>I recently heard from a grapevine, about an agreement in the permaculture
>community, under which students with prior certification can take
>"refresher" permaculture certificate courses free of charge anywhere in the

News to me and I would guess the rest of the UK permaculture teaching 
community. I would guess some sort of renumeration scheme has been 
agreed for teachurz by the person who has offered these sort of guarantees?

>Some people, I hear, use this rule differently, and offer only a
>price reduction (i.e. instructor agrees to waive his/her fees, but there is
>still a fee for attending). 

'I hear' could do with being backed up with some references

>Some people have not heard about it.

Me Neither...

My question for anyone on this list

>- have you heard about this arrangement from a permaculture instructor

Nope. I wrestle with words like 'teacher' and 'instructor', but I 
suspect this is a seperate issue...

>- are you a permaculture instructor, who respects and follows this rule
>(i.e. teaches for free)

No I expect renumeration somewhere somehow. Nothing is 'free'. There is 
always a price, whether its time, money, energy, respect or subliminal 
resentment (more on this as this thread ineviatbly unfolds...)

>- are you a repeat student, who has had a chance to benefit from this rule
>and take repeat courses free of charge, at a reduced price.
Hope you don't mind but I've forwarded to the UK Permaculture Assoc + UK 
Teachurz discussion list

Cheers Graham www.spiralseed.co.uk

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