[permaculture] Rockdust, Water and too many cooks spoil the broth

Andrew Clements jara at otenet.gr
Sat Apr 2 07:27:46 EST 2005

Dear Lisa,

  Couldn't agree more with all you have said here. The trouble with
'movements' is that they eventually become self-serving monoliths which are
devoid of all their initial raison's d'etre and focus on turf battles and
the survival of the movement - You see this in religion, politics, so called
spiritual groups/communities etc, etc etc etc - It is boring !!!

  Like you I would like to make what I do (work) more effective and
efficient by understanding natural processes on ever deeper levels. To that
end could anyone help me with a couple of issues - Firstly Rockdust again -
Is deciduous tree orchard leaf fall enough organic matter to get me
micro-organisms munching on me rockdust or do I need to get me mates to give
me their banana skins and apple peels. Secondly, are those on this list
familiar with the work of Viktor Schauberger, the Austrian forester, and
water chap - I have just finished reading 'The Water Wizard' and have done
some experiments based on his ideas with my springs and rivers and frankly
this guy is completely mindblowing.



> Why does it seem that everyone wants to teach permaculture?  Doesn't
> anyone want to do real work?  Real work is growing food and planting
> trees, that produces a net gain to the planet.  While teaching is
> valuable, if there are enough teachers then it's just overhead.  Maybe
> these are my values and different from others - but I look at the
> three ethics and it seems like going out and planting things and
> helping out in your community (and maybe researching guilds) are far
> more in line with that, than just being one more permaculture teacher.
> And speaking as a former outsider, the permaculture movement, such
> as it is, seems to be very inward looking and somewhat obsessed by
> the PDC.  Insofar as the goal of a movement would normally be to
> share it with others and grow, why is most of the talk about each
> other (and negative), rather than about what you did around your
> neighborhood, what you learned about some subject, what you have
> growing

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