[permaculture] It's free on the web/ was question about PCDcourseprices

GlobalCirclenet webmaster at globalcircle.net
Tue Sep 14 15:37:57 EDT 2004

In a true commons, everybody sharing in it has the right to police it and
nobody can get by with abusing it, monopolizing it, or selling it off.
Garret Hardin made a basic mistake when he neglected that aspect of
historical commons such as the English commons. His mistake has been
repeated ever since.

For example, the air is not a true commons by that definition; it can't be.
 An example of a true commons would be some of the backstreets and
driveways I see in old Albuquerque. More than one house shares a driveway
or road. All protect it. 

paul at largocreekfarms.com
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On 9/14/2004 at 3:42 PM Lawrence F. London, Jr. wrote:

>Toby Hemenway wrote:
> > Ownership entails
>> responsibility; common property is abused. 
>..... in an irresponsible society. In 3rd world places where people have
>for centuries lived on "common land" with little or no
>clearly-defined ownership rights, this is a system that has worked well
>and has satisfied their need to know that they have "rights" to the 
>land they live and work on, something not in question and that they have
>to worry about. This applies to countries such as
>Phillipines, Guatemala, Mexico and many more. Of course, in the recent
>past, unscrupulous types have on occasion sought to abrogate those 
>rights. Various locations, possibly in Mexico, including Chiapas and
>Guerrero and definitely in Guatemala and Phillipines (see the "Golf 
>Wars" documentary) are examples of common land agreements being violated
>by outsiders for their own profit.
>Read Garret Hardin's "The Tragedy
>> of the Commons" for countless more examples.
>lfl at intrex.net
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>permaculture at lists.ibiblio.org

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