[permaculture] Re: Honey locust trees

Joanne Murray natarajo at linknet.com.au
Tue Nov 2 05:43:53 EST 2004


Dear Paul,
Bill Mollison planted 6 honey locust trees at a place called Whytalibah 
in the Great Dividing Range in NSW several years ago.  It has become an 
environmental disaster, destroying acres of land and infesting large 
areas of the Mann River banks. The original trees were thornless but 
all the ones that grew from seeds and suckers (which extended metres 
underground) were covered with the most evil, lethal thorns, making the 
whole area inaccessible and even hazardous for stock.  The government 
is spending tens of thousands of dollars in control programs; the only 
way to eradicate them is with injection guns and poison and then 
bulldozers and huge fires.  The thorns are literally lethal.  I really 
wouldn't reccommend planting any at all unless you are 100% positive 
that they reproduce to give only the thornless type in your area.
Yours sincerely, Joanne Murray

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> Message: 1
> Date: Sun, 31 Oct 2004 12:42:37 -0800 (PST)
> From: Paul Wheaton <paul at richsoil.com>
> Subject: [permaculture] honey locust trees
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> I'm interested in buying a hundred honey locust trees for my 
permaculture farm.  I would
> like to find trees that appear to be heavy pod producers to help feed 
cattle, chickens,
> pigs, goats, etc.
> 
> My understanding is that the pods will only form on female trees.  
I'm guessing that
> without a male tree nearby, even the female would be podless.  
> 
> I'm having a hard time finding a supplier of honey locusts that are 
savvy to the tree
> gender.  Anybody have a source?
> 
> 
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> Message: 2
> Date: Sun, 31 Oct 2004 14:01:25 -0700
> From: Bill McDorman <bm at seedsave.org>
> Subject: Re: [permaculture] honey locust trees
> To: "paul at richsoil.com, permaculture" <permaculture at lists.ibiblio.org>
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> Did you try Bear Creek Nursery?  Smartest folks I have spoken to.
> 
> BearCreek at plix.com
> 
> Bear Creek Nursery - 250 Antique apples, fruit and nut trees, edible
> landscaping, and more.
> P.O. Box 411, Northport, WA 99157. Tel: 509-732-6219, Fax: 509-732-
4417
> 
> 
> 
> ---------------------------------------------------------------
> Bill McDorman
> 
> 
> 
> > From: Paul Wheaton <paul at richsoil.com>
> > Reply-To: paul at richsoil.com, permaculture 
<permaculture at lists.ibiblio.org>
> > Date: Sun, 31 Oct 2004 12:42:37 -0800 (PST)
> > To: permaculture <permaculture at lists.ibiblio.org>
> > Subject: [permaculture] honey locust trees
> > 
> > I'm interested in buying a hundred honey locust trees for my 
permaculture
> > farm.  I would
> > like to find trees that appear to be heavy pod producers to help 
feed cattle,
> > chickens,
> > pigs, goats, etc.
> > 
> > My understanding is that the pods will only form on female trees.  
I'm
> > guessing that
> > without a male tree nearby, even the female would be podless.
> > 
> > I'm having a hard time finding a supplier of honey locusts that are 
savvy to
> > the tree
> > gender.  Anybody have a source?
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> Message: 3
> Date: Sun, 31 Oct 2004 19:25:15 -0600
> From: David Neeley <dbneeley at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [permaculture] Re: permaculture Digest, Vol 21, Issue 37
> To: "dwoodard at becon.org" <dwoodard at becon.org>
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> The windspeed to reach rated power can vary greatly depending upon the
> design. Engineers I have spoken with have told me that it depends upon
> the various normal windspeeds for a given location, as well as the
> size and design of the generator.
> 
> The large, German one is rated at 5MW @14.5 mph, or so the article I
> read about it said.Of course, its blades are 126 meters in swept
> diameter and weigh many tons each, so that may have a part in it as
> well...plus it is built in a land-based site, so the average windspeed
> may be a significant factor in its design.
> 
> As an aside, I lived for some years in Corpus Christi, Texas, on the
> coast of the Gulf of Mexico. I hope there will be a windfarm developed
> down there--for Corpus Christi is the city of highest windspeed in the
> U.S. There, a ten mile per hour breeze is usually unnoticed by the
> residents because it is so much gentler than the frequently
> faster-blowing gusts. If I were to find suitable employment down
> there, I would be shopping for a personal-sized wind turbine very soon
> thereafter...
> 
> David
> 
> 
> On Fri, 29 Oct 2004 22:49:35 -0400 (EDT), dwoodard at becon.org
> <dwoodard at becon.org> wrote:
> > Rated power of wind turbines is usually obtained at around 27-35 
mph,
> > depending on the design. The largest turbines are usually intended 
for
> > offshore use and the higher windspeeds.
> > 
> > Power varies as the cube of the windspeed.
> > 
> > Doug Woodard
> > St. Catharines, Ontario, Canada
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
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> Message: 4
> Date: Mon, 01 Nov 2004 10:48:04 -0500
> From: Keith Johnson <keithdj at mindspring.com>
> Subject: Re: [permaculture] honey locust trees
> To: permaculture <permaculture at lists.ibiblio.org>
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> Last  I heard,  Bear Creek  had gone  out of business. If they're 
back , 
>  I'd  like to know.
> Otherwise, I recommend that you check out the  alternates at 
>  Permaculture Activist's Nursery page
> 
> http://www.permacultureactivist.net/nurseries/PlntNursrys.htm
> 
> keith
> 
> Bill McDorman wrote:
> 
> >Did you try Bear Creek Nursery?  Smartest folks I have spoken to.
> >
> >BearCreek at plix.com
> >
> >Bear Creek Nursery - 250 Antique apples, fruit and nut trees, edible
> >landscaping, and more.
> >P.O. Box 411, Northport, WA 99157. Tel: 509-732-6219, Fax: 509-732-
4417
> >
> >---------------------------------------------------------------
> >Bill McDorman
> >  
> >
> -- 
> Keith Johnson
> Permaculture Activist Magazine
> PO Box 1209
> Black Mountain, NC 28711
> (828)669-6336
> 
> also Patterns for Abundance Design & Consulting
> Culture's Edge at Earthaven Ecovillage
> http://www.permacultureactivist.net
> http://www.earthaven.org
> http://www.bioregionalcongress.org
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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> Message: 5
> Date: Mon, 1 Nov 2004 11:08:42 -0400
> From: Jay Woods <woodsjay at cox.net>
> Subject: Re: [permaculture] honey locust trees
> To: permaculture <permaculture at lists.ibiblio.org>
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> I had also heard that they were out of business. It is certainly the 
case that 
> the email address can not be reached by me.
> 
> On Monday 01 November 2004 10:48 am, Keith Johnson wrote:
> > Last  I heard,  Bear Creek  had gone  out of business. If they're 
back ,
> >  I'd  like to know.
> > Otherwise, I recommend that you check out the  alternates at
> >  Permaculture Activist's Nursery page
> >
> > http://www.permacultureactivist.net/nurseries/PlntNursrys.htm
> >
> > keith
> >
> > Bill McDorman wrote:
> > >Did you try Bear Creek Nursery?  Smartest folks I have spoken to.
> > >
> > >BearCreek at plix.com
> > >
> > >Bear Creek Nursery - 250 Antique apples, fruit and nut trees, 
edible
> > >landscaping, and more.
> > >P.O. Box 411, Northport, WA 99157. Tel: 509-732-6219, Fax: 509-732-
4417
> > >
> > >---------------------------------------------------------------
> > >Bill McDorman
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 6
> Date: Mon, 1 Nov 2004 11:18:08 -0400
> From: Jay Woods <woodsjay at cox.net>
> Subject: Re: [permaculture] honey locust trees
> To: permaculture <permaculture at lists.ibiblio.org>
> Message-ID: <200411011018.08616.woodsjay at cox.net>
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> 
> On a more helpful basis (than my writing that the email address is no 
good), 
> IMHO seedless (male) honey locust trees are propagated not from seed 
but by 
> cuttings. There are no markers that will indicate which trees are 
female 
> until they start setting seed. You could propagate from cuttings, by 
> stooling, or from roots. You could also overplant from seed (by a 
factor of 
> two) and rogue 90% of the males (as soon as they express that trait). 
> 
> On Monday 01 November 2004 10:48 am, Keith Johnson wrote:
> > Last  I heard,  Bear Creek  had gone  out of business. If they're 
back ,
> >  I'd  like to know.
> > Otherwise, I recommend that you check out the  alternates at
> >  Permaculture Activist's Nursery page
> >
> > http://www.permacultureactivist.net/nurseries/PlntNursrys.htm
> >
> > keith
> >
> > Bill McDorman wrote:
> > >Did you try Bear Creek Nursery?  Smartest folks I have spoken to.
> > >
> > >BearCreek at plix.com
> > >
> > >Bear Creek Nursery - 250 Antique apples, fruit and nut trees, 
edible
> > >landscaping, and more.
> > >P.O. Box 411, Northport, WA 99157. Tel: 509-732-6219, Fax: 509-732-
4417
> > >
> > >---------------------------------------------------------------
> > >Bill McDorman
> 
> 
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