[permaculture] Killer Coke
grahamburnett at blueyonder.co.uk
Thu Apr 15 19:11:27 EDT 2004
Hi Claude- there's a whole bunch of lists out there, alot of posts such as
the Coke one get forwarded to Ecovegans & earth Citizens, which is a list I
run, see http://groups.yahoo.com/group/eco_vegans
Plus alot of discussion goes on at some of the other Vegan- centred lists I
subscribe to, 'Vegans Uncensored'
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/VegansUncensored/ (as the name suggests) is
one of the rowdier lists and probably not for everyone, I also get stuff
from the Mclibel mailing list (see http://www.mcspotlight.org/ ) which,
though it mainly focusses on McDonalds, also looks at many other corporate
type orgainisations, including Coca Cola.
I also subscribe to the schnews weekly email, which is an alterntive news
weekly put out by the Brighton (UK) based Shnews collective
http://www.schnews.org.uk/ , well recommended for an alternative antidote to
the mainstream coroprate media (and they've plugged my permaculture book and
courses in the past! and they've got a forest garden set up in Brighton...),
plus there's LOADS of others, Urban 21, The Land Is ours, Do Or Die, i can't
keep up with all of them TBH...
Personally i think these lists and websites admirably serve their purposes,
the purposes of the permaculture lists is different. As Bob said, maybe
there are some out there who think that permaculture is all about gardening
but I can't help feeling that most of us here ARE aware of 'the problems'
and are perfecly cappable of keeping ourselves informed. Personally i don't
want to see the Permaculture lists become yet another 'Campaign Action
update' bulletin board or it will become yet another online free for all of
forwarded messages about Coke, Mcdonalds, the Iraq War, Nike, etc, etc that
just contributes to our information overload.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Claude William Genest" <genest at pivot.net>
To: "permaculture" <permaculture at lists.ibiblio.org>
Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2004 7:54 PM
Subject: Re: [permaculture] Killer Coke
> Graham, would you be so kind as to forward the links to those lists
> please ?
> I agree that we should focus on the solutions, but it's hard to look
> for answers until we have identified the questions which posts like
> this help us to do....
> On Wednesday, April 14, 2004, at 02:42 PM, Graham Burnett wrote:
> > I tend to agree- which doesn't mean I'm not sympathetic to the content
> > of
> > the post in question- however I'm already on a number of lists where
> > there
> > is plenty of discussions about 'the problem', lets keep this list for
> > focussing on 'the solutions' :-)
> > Cheers Graham
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Toby Hemenway" <hemenway at jeffnet.org>
> > To: "permaculture list" <permaculture at lists.ibiblio.org>
> > Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2004 4:59 PM
> > Subject: Re: [permaculture] Killer Coke
> >> On 4/14/04 4:25 AM, "Jocelyn Paquette" <sixdegrees at baynet.net> wrote:
> >>> International Labor Rights Fund Campaign to STOP KILLER COKE
> >>> Dear Brothers and Sisters:
> >>> We need your help to stop a gruesome cycle of murders, kidnappings
> >>> and
> >>> torture of SINALTRAINAL (National Union of Food Industry Workers)
> > union
> >>> leaders and organizers involved in daily life-and-death struggles at
> >>> Coca-Cola bottling plants in Colombia.
> >> [snip]
> >> There are many, many lists out for discussing social injustice and the
> > other
> >> horrors of the world. This is not one of those lists. There's been
> >> general
> >> agreement on this list that posts should have something to do with
> >> permaculture and the positive practice of ecological design. I'd
> > appreciate
> >> if mass mailings such as this were not forwarded via this list, no
> >> matter
> >> how worthy the cause, unless they have something to do with
> >> permaculture
> >> design.
> >> Toby
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