[permaculture] Large Scale Permaculture?

Kathy Carter-White kathycarterwhite at earthlink.net
Mon Dec 8 00:22:01 EST 2003

Larry & Daniel both...
Dan, your query ("What is the point?") is good food for thought.  Say, 
just for instance, there were 700 acres of land which could not be 
intensively farmed, but could be extensively farmed.  Say, it were 
fenced (high-tensile electric) and had typical bottoms and  wooded 
hills, even bluffs and a stream.  The key element is that it must be 
very low inputs (labor AND money), and very sustainable so as to remain 
productive for a thousand years.  Larry, your list is superb.  It goes 
to the heart of sustainability as diverse, knowledge-rich, (and I can 
see how it could be integrated).  I posed the question on SERA of 
whether anyone might be interested in collaborating on a RAMP CSREES 
(due out late December) project to explore large-scale permaculture as a 
practical pest management "living lab".  The max is $600,000 or so, but 
a shortcoming is that it is only for 4 or 5 years.   Steve Diver is  
interested in an alternative pest management database online of  all 
studies out there.  These could fit together as way to conform 
comparative studies and get baseline yields in extensive farming.  The 
landowner (a monastery, actually), Larry I think I mentioned, has just 
applied for a SARE grant to zone the land into the terraces that were 
apparently there before the turn of the century, and also zoned by soil 
type, to study browse impact using hair sheep and determine carrying 
capacity (ie for Ozarks region).  I'm sort of looking for collaborators 
who might extend the scope of this project to something that CSREES 
RAMP  would be interested in:  

Does anyone have any pieces to this puzzle?  Is there a nonprofit or 
university out there who might like to do the quantification and 
writing, and maybe some cutting edge comparisons of productivity using 
the best practice models that are known today?  Since the land is here 
(and, by the way, I have not even discussed it with the monastery 
yet...) it would involve stationing someone here in northeastern 
Oklahoma.  Or maybe there is another 700 acres out there which  would be 
a good candidate for the location...

Kathy, Tahlequah, Oklahoma

Lawrence F. London, Jr. wrote:

> Kathy Carter-White wrote:
>> Hi all-  I just joined.  Is anyone doing large scale permaculture, ie 
>> 700 or more acres?  If so, I'd be interested in hearing a description 
>> of your operation.  Kathy in Tahlequah, Oklahoma
> What budget is available for such a project & is it actually in the 
> works?
> A site plan for the whole 700 acres would be in order.
> Are buffalo, bison, sheep, cattle, goats, chickens, turkeys or pigs to 
> be raised?
> Forest crops, timberland, muchrooms and fungi [medicinal and culinary] 
> fruit and nut orchards?
> Aquaculture, aquaponics, hydroponics waste management (constructed 
> wetlands), compost making, compost tea making?
> Greenhousing for seedlings and food production
> habitat and plantings for wildlife
> fencing to keep wildlife out and livestock in
> housing, shops and barns
> Plant nurseries for landscaping, farmscaping, fruit and nut orchard, 
> native plant/wild/forest areas and permaculture?
> Fiber crops (flax, cotton, hemp, kenaf)?
> Grass, grain or bean crops for livestock feed?
> Forage cropping for harvest or grazing (kudzu & other)?
> Grain and bean crops for food, vegetables, fruits, orchards and 
> integrated plantings?
> Dairy: cow, sheep, goat (and processing building)
> Kitchen with facility for canning, drying and freezing
> Other considerations:
> tractors and implements, hand tools
> shop for maintenance & repair
> metalworking, woodworking and welding shop
> sawmill
> habitat and plantings for wildlife
> fencing to keep wildlife out and livestock in
> housing, shops and barns
> Media center (web development and inhouse-created educational 
> resources) and library
> Spiritual retreat and meditational area
> Visior and ecotourism center
> Facilities for apprentices
> LL

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