[permaculture] Afghanistan redux

Mark mpludwig at facstaff.wisc.edu
Tue Sep 24 11:05:00 EDT 2002

At 11:48 AM 9/24/02 +1000, you wrote:
>It might be interesting to see how long the war continues. The Iraqis, 
>unlike remnant Taliban and El Queda in Afghanistan, seem ready to fight a 
>conventional war of the type the US is trained and equipped to fight. 
>Firepower and the destruction of hard targets are at the core of this type 
>of conflict (remember the UN assault on Serbia by US and NATO a few years 
>ago) so that should put the US in a better position than were they 
>confronting guerrilla or militia units ('assymetric warfare' - remember 
>Somalia, Vietnam and, possibly, Afghanistan to come).

I quite concerned that it will look a lot like Somalia, urban war in Iraq 
could get very ugly indeed.  I happen to know one of the fellas who went 
through the 93 fire fight in Mogadishu and he's pretty skeptical of any 
forces ability to successfully fight in a civilian urban area without 
committing serious atrocities.

>The Australian media is doing a good job carrying the public discussion 
>around Iraq and commentators in the newspapers, radio, television and 
>online news services point out the immense uncertainties facing the US and 
>its allies, the likely Israeli response to a WMD attach by Iraq and the 
>uncertainties in the Arab world that could flow from a war... it's those 
>which will go on for years, perhaps... especially if the US does not take 
>a stronger stand on ending the Israel-Palestine conflict, which could to 
>some extent moderate reaction.

If you follow the right wing happy talk the whole Arab world will roll over 
into democracy and the A/I conflict will suddenly get easy to solve.  What 
farcical bullshit.  Anyone got a nice PC project they need help on in 
Ireland, Mexico, Canada or really anywhere but the united states?  I really 
don't want to pay taxes for this.

>Russ Grayson
>Sydney, Australia

Mark P. Ludwig
Poultry Research Lab
University of Wisconsin -Madison
608-262-1730 WK
608-846-7125 HM

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