[permaculture] Remembering the stakes/animals

John Irwin jwirwin at permaculture.net
Thu Mar 28 11:46:57 EST 2002

Right On...... as usual, Toby.

I am a former Vegetarian, who did eat fish, eggs,
& dairy products, but now I have expanded my

An excellent argument for the virtues of an
all-around diet is Nutrition and Physical
Degeneration by Weston A Price,  a dentist,
past president of the American Dental Association,
and world traveler. In the 30's he visited indigenous
peoples around the world, studying their teeth, their
diet, and overall health.  He also noted the health
of the same genetic & cultural peoples in nearby
villages with access to trading posts.... and processed
food.  (Yes, there is a Weston A Price Foundation

Bill Mollison was once asked what kind of diet he
preferred.  His reply:  "I don't eat factory food."
Sums it up nicely!

One Love,


Toby Hemenway wrote:

> Robert Waldrop at rmwj at soonernet.com posted:
> > The authors report that the
> > animal-based diet that prevails in the industrialized world --- and is
> > on the rise in many developing countries --- is linked to chronic
> > degenerative conditions such as cardiovascular disease, cancer, and
> > diabetes.
> If you go to the amazing website, http://www.beyondveg.com/index.shtml and
> paw thru the scientific papers there (later I can give a more exact URL for
> the reference, if need be) you'll see that there is no link between meat and
> chronic disease, since many cultures that eat far more meat than ours have
> less of these chronic diseases. The link is probably to our sedentary
> lifestyle, processed and poisoned food, and a lot of other factors, all of
> which are exacerbated by a high animal-fat diet. The above quote is another
> example of coming to a conclusion first and bending the data to support it.
> The website is maintained by  a former vegetarian and is full of
> research--good, peer reviewed stuff--showing that the health benefits of
> veganism and vegetarianism are very difficult to demonstrate and that many
> of the claims for them are simply false. It's been useful for me when I run
> into people who assume that permies must be vegetarian. But it's a huge site
> and can take some time to digest (pun semi-intended). I tried for years to
> be vegetarian, mostly out of guilt, and now that I eat meat again, am
> healthier and feel more in tune with nature. I'm partial to the
> predator-prey relationship; feels like an important one to have.
> Toby
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