[permaculture] Frank's Farm

John Irwin jwirwin at permaculture.net
Thu Aug 29 14:12:22 EDT 2002

jamie nicol wrote:

> Hello Kirby,
> ......... As I understood it, Frank was requesting ways from this group (as
> he has been on and off for a year or more now) to implement Pc principles on
> his farm of (roughly) 200 acres(?). I forget the size though it was quite
> big from a European perspective. Despite receiving much good information
> from many on this group, including you, his response seemed to be 'I want to
> do it but I just don't have the time or the resources to implement such
> techniques.' In my previous email I was trying to suggest that the
> experience of Frank was not abnormal: here you have a man who is resolute
> about Pc principles but unable to achieve them in the real world. Frank is
> not 'industrial agriculture' to use your terminology. It is for this reason
> that I'm not quite sure to what you were responding.
> Jamie
> Souscayrous

I agree that large tracts of land do not appear to lend themselves to
typical Pc solutions.  But IMHO  its mostly a matter of how we
look at the situation.

For example, although I am not currently involved in implementing Pc on my 50+ acres, I hope to
get started in the not too distant future.  I am not thinking:
I need more machines so I can reshape the land.  I am thinking:
I need a committed community of people.  Pc, at least when a good design
plan is being implemented, appears to be labor intensive.

I will need both more people and more ideas (and maybe some good work

Maybe your situation is similar, Frank
You would  probably benefit from putting on a PDC,
and/or a design Charette, and/or some workshops,
attracting more people to your land, and making the
most of whatever work animals you have.

I can't overemphasize the community idea.
More efficient.  More to share with.  Perhaps
that would be one of the main goals of your
gatherings:  figuring out how to attract people
to help & share.

Doing a PDC could be a lot of work, depending on how
much you are involved in the planning and all the other

A design charette requires a lot less:
6 -10  people with some expertise
a long weekend
good food, accomodations,  design supplies,
and enough information about the property
to get started with.

Workshops obviously can vary as to how
much effort they require.   Good ones
will raise some money.

One thing to keep in mind is that you do not
have to try to accomplish everything in
one PDC, charette, workshop.....
You can always have another event that
will start where you left off.

It is hard to do it yourself,  without more experience,
trying to paint word pictures on this list-serve,
hoping someone will see your land well enough to
understand and be able to make just the right

Food for thought?

One Love (as Chuck Marsh says)


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