Listmember's Ecologies

John Cropper j.cropper at
Thu Dec 13 22:19:49 EST 2001

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Lee Flier" <lflier at>
To: "permaculture" <permaculture at>
Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2001 14:29
Subject: Re: Listmember's Ecologies

> All right, THAT DOES IT!!!
> I've been mostly lurking around here lately, and haven't had too much time
> to read the discussions fully although what I've read has been
> interesting... but all this politically correct crap is just too much, and
> in fact it is one reason why I've been increasingly disgusted with the
> permaculture crowd and environmentalists in general, even though I am
one -
> nobody is allowed to have a freaking sense of humor anymore!  You can't
> anything even in jest without somebody getting their panties all in a wad.
> I'm a very sensitive person, and I hate stereotypes more than almost
> anything, but humor like this doesn't do anything to "perpetuate"
> stereotypes. If anything, poking fun at a stereotype can help to break it
> down.  How can people ever become close if they can't laugh together,
> including about sensitive issues?  Sorry, I thought the Afghan TV Guide
> hysterical, and Gene's post was funny too, and I did not take them to be
> reflections of what the posters actually think of Afghans or women.
> And even if I didn't think the posts were funny I'd just hit the delete
> and leave it at that, rather than tell others what is appropriate to think
> and say.  Will the Thought Police please give it a rest?
> Oh, and by the way, I'm a woman, so I get the last word. :-)
> --Lee
> > Gene, although you signed off as "having fun," I
> > I do not see genderism as a good reason for the
> > purported humour above. With these comments you
> > perpetuate institutionalized gender roles of
> > heterosexual monogamy that people have been
> > working to eliminate for decades and longer.
> >
> > An analogy can be made between this joke and the
> > Afghan joke--forums better than a pc-list can be
> > found for these examples of cultural ignorance.
> >
> > Sean
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