cultural myths and misery

souscayrous souscayrous at wanadoo.fr
Fri Dec 7 16:16:12 EST 2001


Sean, this is hardly a fulsome rebuttal of John's ripe response;


-----Original Message-----
From: S.K. Harrison [mailto:skh23ca at yahoo.com]
Sent: Friday, December 07, 2001 8:23 PM
To: permaculture
Subject: Re: cultural myths and misery

From: John Schinnerer <eco_living at yahoo.com>

> Nice try, but the very quote you use:
>
> > "Man's [sic] achievements rest upon the use
> > of symbols. For this reason, we must consider
> > ourselves as a symbolic, semantic class of
> > life, and those who rule the symbols, rule
> > us."
>
> ...supports my point.  If you insist on this:
>
> > ...you need to provide quantitative and
> > verified data to convince those of us who
> > don't want to be led around by the stupid-
> > ring in our noses.
>
> Then you are ruled by those who rule through
> the dogma of science (scientific
> assumptions/symbols) as the only "legitimate"
> manner of explaining.  You want me to use the
> tautologies (tautologous - "true by virtue of
> its logical form alone") of science, and only
> those, to construct a convincing argument
> concerning science; other manners of explaining

> are not allowed, because - they're not
> scientific!  How convenient for the rulers of
> the symbols!  And how very similar to other
> forms of religious fundamentalism.

Please take some basic philosophy of science
before constructing strawmen out of strawmen.
Snip...

...and

-----Original Message-----
From: S.K. Harrison [mailto:skh23ca at yahoo.com]
Sent: Friday, December 07, 2001 8:38 PM
To: permaculture
Subject: Re: cultural myths and misery

From: "Simon Kartar"

> An excellent post. I thought that Kant's
> critique of pure reason and =
> Russell's paradox had shaken a blind faith in
> the scientific method a long =
> time ago?=20

Where's the blind faith?


Feisty is feisty, I know, but should one be so cavalier with Kant (or
Kartar)?

I have an idea...I don't know, but it just might work!
While John reads Science, the philosophy of; Sean could read Science,
problems in the philosophy of...

...Souscayrous...close to John but tending toward the belief that there are
truths to be known of reality, that scientific practices can reveal (Aye,
but here's the rub; also knowing that so much more truth about reality is
always already displayed in our embodied coping with the world: or, in
Heideggerese our being-in-the-world).









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