Nitrogen in mesquite

Marsha Hanzi hanzibra at
Sat Jan 29 11:07:41 EST 2000

Prosopis juliflora...

I would also appreciate any information on mesquite, as it is a common tree
here in our drylands, unfortunately weedy and with definite allelopathic
effect on our native brush. It is taking over most waterways in vast

I am concerned about possible allelopathic effects on the  material when
used as mulch-- seems to be no problem, but do not have definite answers

By the way I understand that mequite is appreciated in barbecues in the
Southwest USA. Is that from fresh wood or charcoal?  Anyone know?

Also would appreciate recipes of any of you desert dwellers.  They give the
pods to goats here ( who from time to time have dislocated jaws from it!)
but it has not been yet accepted as people food, this in a region where
there can be real hunger in the dry years...

Marsha Hanzi
Instituto de Permacultura da Bahia

----- Original Message -----
From: Wesley Trotman <trotmanw at>
To: permaculture <permaculture at>
Sent: Wednesday, January 26, 2000 8:22 AM
Subject: Re: Nitrogen in mesquite

> Hi Noel,
> i received your post via USA, I live in south Oz.
> I havent the n content of mesquite, but if its like Acacia the leaves
> be quiet high.
> If you intend a commercial operation you will need a chemical analysis on
> the packaging so you will need to have it tested. have you though of
> composting as a part of your process.
> this will add value as an organic fertilizer also you may find you cannot
> stock pile it wihout it composting itself. So may be better to plan to do
> that and turn out a consistent product.
> All the best
> Wesley Trotman
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Toby Hemenway <hemenway at>
> To: permaculture <permaculture at>
> Sent: Wednesday, January 26, 2000 4:33 AM
> Subject: Fwd: Nitrogen in mesquite
> > I got this email from a couple in Oz who read the alt.permaculture
> > newsgroup. If anyone--hey you desert dwellers--can help them, you should
> > respond directly to them as I don't think they read this list. But
> > post an answer here, too, since I'm curious. I assume that wood has less
> > nitrogen than leaves, but mesquite has such high-protein pods and
> > alkaloid-containing sap that I'd guess the whole thing is high in
> nitrogen.
> >
> > Toby
> >
> > >Reply-To: "NOEL and DI at the drive in" <drivein at>
> > >From: "NOEL and DI at the drive in" <drivein at>
> > >To: <hemenway at>
> > >Cc: "Toby" <hemenway at>
> > >Subject: N-fixing references
> > >Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2000 17:55:27 +0800
> >
> > >
> > >    Hi Toby , I have read your article on n-fixing with much interest .
> We
> > >are  in the process of setting up a commercial mulching operation our
> > >fodder is  Mesquite [Prosopis] 50000H of of it .I need to know if the N
> > >properties will carry through  to the mulch . I intend to concentrate
> > >medium to small trees 40 to 80 mm with  as much foliage as possible
> > >,Average ; three meter branch 60mm in diameter  with normal amount of
> > >foliage .I believe our Mesquite is the' Gillafolia 'or  something like
> > >that , reasonably  straight trunks with little or no spikes .  I am
> having
> > >trouble finding any specific information regarding the Mesquite as a
> > >mulch  ,I would imagine it would react in a similar way to Lucerne in
> > >releasing N  in to the soil . I hope to be able to market our product
> a
> > >high N mulch with all the other benefits of a normal mulch as well . I
> > >would  appreciate if you would have any hints on where I might be able
> > >find some  information .We live 1600km from the nearest capital city so
> > >am fairly limited  in my avenues of research . I have searched the net
> > >with out much luck  .Looking forward to your response .    Kind Regards
> > >Noel  Wright   ,  Karratha , North Western  Australia   .
> > >
> >
> >
> >
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