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  • From: Marc Riddell <michaeldavid86 AT comcast.net>
  • To: WikiWorld <wikiworld AT lists.ibiblio.org>
  • Subject: Re: [Wiki World] Let's open the list :)
  • Date: Sat, 01 Sep 2007 09:39:34 -0400

Title: Re: [Wiki World] Let's open the list :)
on 9/1/07 9:20 AM, fredbaud AT waterwiki.info at fredbaud AT waterwiki.info wrote:



>-----Original Message-----
>From: Marc Riddell [mailto:michaeldavid86 AT comcast.net]
>Sent: Saturday, September 1, 2007 06:46 AM
>To: 'WikiWorld'
>Subject: Re: [Wiki World] Let's open the list :)
>
>on 8/31/07 11:57 PM, fredbaud AT waterwiki.info at fredbaud AT waterwiki.info
>wrote:
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Marc Riddell [mailto:michaeldavid86 AT comcast.net]
>> Sent: Friday, August 31, 2007 10:00 PM
>> To: 'WikiWorld'
>> Subject: Re: [Wiki World] Let's open the list :)
>>
>> on 8/31/07 9:28 PM, fredbaud AT waterwiki.info at fredbaud AT waterwiki.info wrote:
>>
>> Well, are you familiar with Wilfred Bion's Experiences in Groups? Fight or
>> Flight, etc.?
>>
>> Fred
>>
>> Oh yes, the Tavistock Group. I have done quite a bit of work with persons
>> suffering from PTSD. In addition to individual work, I also have them work in
>> groups. Some of these persons have gone on to help with a crisis intervention
>> team I direct which responds to such events as shootings, mine accidents and
>> other such traumatic events. There is healing in helping.
>>
>> Myself, I worked with Carl Rogers in the 60s at the "Institute for the Study
>> of the Person" in California.
>>
>> As for "fight or flight"; if you're referring to the Wikien-l List - I very
>> probably will choose the fight. Besides I'm getting old - I don't 'flight'
>> very fast anymore :-)
>>
>> Marc
>>
>>
>> No, "Flight or fight" is one of the states a group can get into, a singularly
>> unproductive state during which little gets done.
>>
>> Fred
>>
>Yes, but here we are dealing with the third response, "freeze" - which
>renders the group incapable of any action. And, without some type of
>intervention, this is where the entire Project is headed.
>
>The reality is that Wikien-l is no longer a group - but a splintered,
>leaderless, directionless mob. And, my fear is that the entire Project
>itself will soon follow.
>
>
>Marc

Actually, there is no shortage at all of leaders, but most have agendas.

Fred, these are leaders and by insinuation and aggression - not by selection. And, unless their agendas are anything other than advancing the Project, I don't hold out much hope.

There are presently some Wales-wannabes, who simply won't accept the fact that they can never be.

Marc



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