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  • From: Seth Alan Woolley <seth AT tautology.org>
  • To: sm-discuss AT lists.ibiblio.org
  • Subject: [SM-Discuss] "staging" grimoire instead of devel for development spells as opposed to WIP spells?
  • Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2005 08:58:49 -0800

On Fri, Feb 25, 2005 at 05:16:41PM +0100, Ladislav Hagara wrote:
> >
> >
> >>IMHO, it would be fine if user could choose between stable or beta/devel
> >>version.
> >>You did not need to edit test grimoire directly and could normally
> >>integrate it.
> >
> >As I already said previously, that doesn't work for libraries. Also it's
> >a _lot_ more work for a very small benefit. Personally I think we
> >already have way too many spells with choice between stable and devel in
> >the grimoire.
>
> If user uses devel libraries it works.
> Allow our users to choose what they want. If their go wrong it is their
> problem, they were warned.
>
> Now we have devel version of gnome only in devel grimoire. How many
> users can try/use these devel gnome?
> Why it is updated in devel grimoire if it is not integrated to test
> grimoire? Is not it fruitless?
> Is not it risky to edit directly test grimoire without test these changes?
>
> Personally I do not need devel version of gnome but certainly we have
> users who would like to test it.
> I know, official policy I do not agree is "they may become developers
> and will have access to devel grimoire in perforce".
> We should give our users chance to choose what they want. If it is in
> devel grimoire they should have chance to try it.
> If you do not agree with spells modification we could official provide
> devel grimoire again.

I package a devel grimoire every hour on my server that people may use,
but perhaps there is another way around this problem.

The idea was to get people on test grimoire as too many people were
using devel and not using test and then complaining of breakage.

Devel then became a staging ground of where we put things when we don't
want to break a usable test grimoire.

This can easily be fixed with a "staging" grimoire. In the staging
grimoire we can put things like development gcc and development glibc
and development gnome before they go into test, the only reason they are
not in test being that there's an interaction with it and other spells.
If there's an interaction within itself that causes problems, it goes
into devel with WIP instead of staging.

We can then make the staging grimoire public with instructions to add it
after their regular grimoires and use scribbler to pull spells in front
of test into a custom grimoire so they can run it.

We can call it "staging" or "queue" or anything else, but I think
"staging" is a pretty rational name.

I'm going to put this on sm-discuss for feedback and bcc everybody else.

Seth

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