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  • From: Chris Anderson <catchthewater@gmail.com>
  • To: Permaculture Intl Listserv Post <permaculture@lists.ibiblio.org>
  • Subject: Re: [permaculture] permaculture Digest, Vol 262, Issue 1
  • Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2016 13:56:53 -0700

Thank you, Lawrence, for this list and for the effort you and others put
into it. I want to remain on the list.

Chris Anderson
Sedona, Arizona USA

On Mon, Nov 14, 2016 at 7:51 AM, <permaculture-request@lists.ibiblio.org>
wrote:

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> 1. Re: This list, permaculture and discussion traffic. (David Muhl)
> 2. Re: permaculture Digest, Vol 261, Issue 1 (Marshall Chrostowski)
> 3. Re: This list, permaculture and discussion traffic. (JLuc)
> 4. Re: This list, permaculture and discussion traffic.
> (Lawrence London)
> 5. Re: This list, permaculture and discussion traffic.
> (joao pedro goncalves)
> 6. Re: This list, permaculture and discussion traffic.
> (Lawrence London)
> 7. AGRO-ECOLOGY & PERMACULTURE CONVERGENCE Vanvadi,
> Maharashtra, India Dec 9 to 14 (ossi@kulma.net)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2016 00:35:39 +0000 (UTC)
> From: David Muhl <dmuhl65@yahoo.com>
> To: permaculture <permaculture@lists.ibiblio.org>
> Subject: Re: [permaculture] This list, permaculture and discussion
> traffic.
> Message-ID: <1018324852.3011024.1478910939412@mail.yahoo.com>
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> Keep me on please.
> --------------------------------------------
> On Wed, 11/9/16, Lawrence London <lfljvenaura@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Subject: Re: [permaculture] This list, permaculture and discussion
> traffic.
> To: "permaculture" <permaculture@lists.ibiblio.org>
> Date: Wednesday, November 9, 2016, 12:54 AM
>
> On Wed, Nov 9, 2016 at 2:39 AM, Amy
> Little <amylittle@hvc.rr.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Please keep me on the list. I especially need it
> considering this
> > disastrous election.
> >
>
> Yes. Unbelievable. Its like David Duke of the KKK got
> elected, only worse.
> Worse still the educated people who voted that way. This
> thing could even
> go on for a second term and its spawn for evern more terms.
>
> Anyway it sure seems a good idea to use this list however it
> is needed to
> maintain a cohesive community.
>
> Onward anyway.
> or as Pogo said "Relentless Onward".
> --
> Lawrence F. London, Jr.
> lfljvenaura@gmail.com
> https://sites.google.com/site/avantgeared
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> Message: 2
> Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2016 02:35:00 -0800
> From: Marshall Chrostowski <marshallsmarket@gmail.com>
> To: permaculture@lists.ibiblio.org
> Subject: Re: [permaculture] permaculture Digest, Vol 261, Issue 1
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> Subject: Re: [permaculture] This list, permaculture and discussion
> traffic.
>
> Hi, Lawrence.I add my cyber voice to pleas to keep the list larger to
> include lurker who may be reaping benefits beyond your expectations.
>
> Since we last communicated, I have planned and executing my retirement from
> the my several businesses including the organic market farm and orchard.
> Forty five years is long enough . I am near eighty but in excellent health
> and will take on the modernization of 60-acre forest farm in S,.
> Quebec.with a new love of my life.
>
> I never did find a home for those old farm and hort books. Dumpster time.
>
> Best wishes and good luck and good health,
> Marshall
>
> On Fri, Nov 11, 2016 at 10:08 AM, <permaculture-request@lists.ibiblio.org>
> wrote:
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> > Today's Topics:
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> > 1. Re: allow less drought intolerant trees to thrive (Jay Woods)
> > 2. Re: allow less drought intolerant trees to thrive
> > (Lawrence London)
> > 3. Re: This list, permaculture and discussion traffic.
> > (christopher nesbitt)
> > 4. Re: allow less drought intolerant trees to thrive (Soalheira)
> > 5. Re: This list, permaculture and discussion traffic. (Laura Vargas)
> > 6. Re: This list, permaculture and discussion traffic. (Rhonda Baird)
> > 7. As Trump Transitions to Power, 'Cabinet of Horrors' Takes
> > Shape | Common Dreams | Breaking News & Views for the Progressive
> > Community (Lawrence London)
> > 8. Re: This list, permaculture and discussion traffic.
> > (Robyn Francis)
> > 9. Re: This list, permaculture and discussion traffic.
> > (Michael Pilarski)
> > 10. Re: This list, permaculture and discussion traffic.
> > (Natalie Tourelle)
> > 11. Re: This list, permaculture and discussion traffic.
> > (=?utf-8?b?RGFycmVsbCBFLiBGcmV5?=)
> > 12. Re: This list, permaculture and discussion traffic.
> > (Jonathan Spencer)
> > 13. Re: This list, permaculture and discussion traffic. (Eisenhauer)
> > 14. Re: This list, permaculture and discussion traffic.
> > (Lawrence London)
> >
> >
> > ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 1
> > Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2016 06:16:55 -0800
> > From: Jay Woods <woodsjaya@gmail.com>
> > To: permaculture <permaculture@lists.ibiblio.org>
> > Subject: Re: [permaculture] allow less drought intolerant trees to
> > thrive
> > Message-ID:
> > <CABjEcM9Z1eoTs6NFDyOasx7420eLiA-pscU8bXVGzdUsPcb1iw@mail.
> > gmail.com>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
> >
> > Unfortunately the land is flat. There are better solutions on sloped
> land.
> >
> > Under the tree canopy there is no plastic, only gravel to cut down on
> water
> > evaporation from the soil. The basin slopes slightly toward the tree and
> > there is a small berm at 3+ canopy diameters out from the trunk.
> >
> > The seedling test trials include canopy/root system width ratio looking
> for
> > better adaption to semi-desert. The pinyons and cottonwoods have ratios
> of
> > 3 while commercial varieties of fruit and nuts are 1.
> >
> > On Thu, Nov 10, 2016 at 12:48 AM, joao pedro goncalves <
> joaovox@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > your land is flat ?
> > >
> > > how is water moving over the plastic ?
> > >
> > > it concentrates at near the tree trunk? funnelling ?
> > >
> > > thanks
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On 11/9/16, Jay Woods <woodsjaya@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > In order to allow less drought intolerant trees to thrive here in
> > Western
> > > > Nevada, I'm putting out black plastic covered with gravel and rocks
> > over
> > > an
> > > > area 10 times larger than the tree canopy.
> > > >
> > > > On Wed, Nov 9, 2016 at 3:35 AM, Gene Monaco <efmonaco@comcast.net>
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > >> I'm still in
> > > >> -Gee
> > > >>
> > > >> -----Original Message-----
> > > >> From: permaculture [mailto:permaculture-bounces@lists.ibiblio.org]
> On
> > > >> Behalf
> > > >> Of Lawrence London
> > > >> Sent: Wednesday, November 9, 2016 1:40 AM
> > > >> To: permaculture <permaculture@lists.ibiblio.org>
> > > >> Subject: Re: [permaculture] This list, permaculture and discussion
> > > >> traffic.
> > > >>
> > > >> When I raised this issue months ago a number of people replied
> > > >> positively.
> > > >> I would appreciate it if they would reply again to make it easier my
> > > >> gathering addresses of those interested. .
> > > >>
> > > >> On Tue, Nov 8, 2016 at 11:12 PM, Lawrence London <
> > lfljvenaura@gmail.com
> > > >
> > > >> wrote:
> > > >>
> > > >> >
> > > >> > This list was created to provide a place for exchange of ideas,
> > news,
> > > >> > resources and Q&A.
> > > >> > It is not for endless lurking, never posting or replying.
> > > >> >
> > > >> > I need a show of hands from subscribers who want to remain in the
> > > list.
> > > >> > Post a reply to this message saying that you want to stay onboard
> > and
> > > >> > I will add your email ID to those who will remain subscribed.
> > > >> > Those I have known here over the years and those who have posted
> in
> > > >> > the past year or so will be automatically included,
> > > >> >
> > > >> > Other list owners I have known have done this and managed to keep
> > > >> > their forums alive and active. I intend to do this here.
> > > >> > The message archives and the list mirror will remain accessable
> and
> > > >> > searchable by the public...
> > > >> > One week ought to be enough time to get this sorted out.
> > > >> > --
> > > >> > Lawrence F. London, Jr.
> > > >> > lfljvenaura@gmail.com
> > > >> > https://sites.google.com/site/avantgeared
> > > >> >
> > > >> >
> > > >> >
> > > >> >
> > > >> >
> > > >> >
> > > >> >
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >> --
> > > >> Lawrence F. London, Jr.
> > > >> lfljvenaura@gmail.com
> > > >> https://sites.google.com/site/avantgeared
> > > >> permaculture mailing list
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> > > http://ecotrabalho.com
> > > http://permacultureglobal.com/users/902-joao-goncalves
> > > + 351 96 96 80 009
> > > Alc?ntara - Lisboa e Ch?o Sobral - Oliveira do Hospital - Serra do
> A?or -
> > > Portugal
> > >
> > > "Hoje, ao escolher o que comer e o que comprar est? a decidir se os
> seus
> > > filhos v?o herdar um planeta em melhor ou pior estado daquele que voc?
> > > encontrou."
> > >
> > > "Today as you choose what to eat and what to buy you decide if your
> > > children will inherit a planet in a better or worse shape than you
> found
> > > it."
> > >
> > > Para descobrir:
> > > Document?rio "Alface" na Aldeia das Amoreiras
> > > http://vimeo.com/58999047
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> > > http://herdadedofreixodomeio.pt/
> > > "Comida que nunca acaba" / Permacultura no Malawi
> > > http://www.neverendingfood.org/
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> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 2
> > Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2016 09:19:31 -0500
> > From: Lawrence London <lfljvenaura@gmail.com>
> > To: permaculture <permaculture@lists.ibiblio.org>
> > Subject: Re: [permaculture] allow less drought intolerant trees to
> > thrive
> > Message-ID:
> > <CA+j2Q+Dgaj91H4SY76x0mL_2tNoHiD6dvrV1UXmfz_zDQHjh8A@
> > mail.gmail.com>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
> >
> > On Thu, Nov 10, 2016 at 3:48 AM, joao pedro goncalves <joaovox@gmail.com
> >
> > wrote:
> >
> > > your land is flat ?
> > >
> > > how is water moving over the plastic ?
> > >
> > > it concentrates at near the tree trunk? funnelling ?
> > >
> >
> > How do the trees breathe, i.e. get adequate oxygen and maintain aerobic
> > soil conditions?
> >
> >
> > --
> > Lawrence F. London, Jr.
> > lfljvenaura@gmail.com
> > https://sites.google.com/site/avantgeared
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 3
> > Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2016 08:20:58 -0600
> > From: christopher nesbitt <christopher.nesbitt@mmrfbz.org>
> > To: permaculture <permaculture@lists.ibiblio.org>
> > Subject: Re: [permaculture] This list, permaculture and discussion
> > traffic.
> > Message-ID:
> > <CANsAFCqYpBgw8qEzUgPOZt9DBis347W7GQJ_7uMhEnmO1SGDLw@mail.
> > gmail.com>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
> >
> > Hi Lawrence,
> >
> > I want to be n board. I post very seldom, but when I did, it is usually a
> > very long reply. I value being a part of this.
> >
> > Thank you,
> >
> > Christopher
> >
> > _____________________________
> >
> > Christopher Nesbitt
> >
> >
> > Maya Mountain Research Farm
> >
> > San Pedro Columbia, Toledo
> >
> > PO 153 Punta Gorda Town, Toledo
> >
> > BELIZE,
> >
> > Central America
> >
> >
> > www.mmrfbz.org
> > www.facebook.com/MayaMountainResearchFarm
> >
> > On Tue, Nov 8, 2016 at 10:12 PM, Lawrence London <lfljvenaura@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > This list was created to provide a place for exchange of ideas, news,
> > > resources and Q&A.
> > > It is not for endless lurking, never posting or replying.
> > >
> > > I need a show of hands from subscribers who want to remain in the list.
> > > Post a reply to this message saying that you want to stay onboard and I
> > > will add your email ID to those who will remain subscribed.
> > > Those I have known here over the years and those who have posted in the
> > > past year or so will be automatically included,
> > >
> > > Other list owners I have known have done this and managed to keep their
> > > forums alive and active. I intend to do this here.
> > > The message archives and the list mirror will remain accessable and
> > > searchable by the public...
> > > One week ought to be enough time to get this sorted out.
> > > --
> > > Lawrence F. London, Jr.
> > > lfljvenaura@gmail.com
> > > https://sites.google.com/site/avantgeared
> > > permaculture mailing list
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> >
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 4
> > Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2016 15:59:18 +0000
> > From: Soalheira <soalheira@gmx.com>
> > To: permaculture@lists.ibiblio.org
> > Subject: Re: [permaculture] allow less drought intolerant trees to
> > thrive
> > Message-ID: <868c516d-0e8e-1037-960d-5fc8ecb071cd@gmx.com>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed
> >
> > I?m in, as long as I?m not cluttering.
> >
> > A few related ideas off the top
> >
> > - Keep less drought tolerant trees below/around water bodies (natural or
> > artificial)
> >
> > - Add extra charged biochar including biota at all layers of the tree
> > hole and using extra layers of cardboard on the mulch side. PLant a
> > cactii based ground cover for enhanced buffer temperature and moisturize
> > during the night.
> >
> > Cheers
> >
> >
> > On 10/11/2016 08:48, joao pedro goncalves wrote:
> > > your land is flat ?
> > >
> > > how is water moving over the plastic ?
> > >
> > > it concentrates at near the tree trunk? funnelling ?
> > >
> > > thanks
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On 11/9/16, Jay Woods <woodsjaya@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >> In order to allow less drought intolerant trees to thrive here in
> > Western
> > >> Nevada, I'm putting out black plastic covered with gravel and rocks
> > over an
> > >> area 10 times larger than the tree canopy.
> > >>
> > >> On Wed, Nov 9, 2016 at 3:35 AM, Gene Monaco <efmonaco@comcast.net>
> > wrote:
> > >>
> > >>> I'm still in
> > >>> -Gee
> > >>>
> > >>> -----Original Message-----
> > >>> From: permaculture [mailto:permaculture-bounces@lists.ibiblio.org]
> On
> > >>> Behalf
> > >>> Of Lawrence London
> > >>> Sent: Wednesday, November 9, 2016 1:40 AM
> > >>> To: permaculture <permaculture@lists.ibiblio.org>
> > >>> Subject: Re: [permaculture] This list, permaculture and discussion
> > >>> traffic.
> > >>>
> > >>> When I raised this issue months ago a number of people replied
> > >>> positively.
> > >>> I would appreciate it if they would reply again to make it easier my
> > >>> gathering addresses of those interested. .
> > >>>
> > >>> On Tue, Nov 8, 2016 at 11:12 PM, Lawrence London <
> > lfljvenaura@gmail.com>
> > >>> wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>>> This list was created to provide a place for exchange of ideas,
> news,
> > >>>> resources and Q&A.
> > >>>> It is not for endless lurking, never posting or replying.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> I need a show of hands from subscribers who want to remain in the
> > list.
> > >>>> Post a reply to this message saying that you want to stay onboard
> and
> > >>>> I will add your email ID to those who will remain subscribed.
> > >>>> Those I have known here over the years and those who have posted in
> > >>>> the past year or so will be automatically included,
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Other list owners I have known have done this and managed to keep
> > >>>> their forums alive and active. I intend to do this here.
> > >>>> The message archives and the list mirror will remain accessable and
> > >>>> searchable by the public...
> > >>>> One week ought to be enough time to get this sorted out.
> > >>>> --
> > >>>> Lawrence F. London, Jr.
> > >>>> lfljvenaura@gmail.com
> > >>>> https://sites.google.com/site/avantgeared
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>
> > >>> --
> > >>> Lawrence F. London, Jr.
> > >>> lfljvenaura@gmail.com
> > >>> https://sites.google.com/site/avantgeared
> > >>> permaculture mailing list
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> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 5
> > Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2016 11:09:19 -0500
> > From: Laura Vargas <laura@somosazucar.org>
> > To: permaculture <permaculture@lists.ibiblio.org>
> > Subject: Re: [permaculture] This list, permaculture and discussion
> > traffic.
> > Message-ID:
> > <CAHbZrxpQZCykUQK1_Ld6Ph8G4zv2J9gdoz9nxij1uXPFrww
> > n2Q@mail.gmail.com>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
> >
> > Please keep me in!
> >
> > Regards from the Amazon forest :D
> >
> > 2016-11-10 5:45 GMT-05:00 Marsha Howe <marshahowe@gmail.com>:
> >
> > > I have learned a lot reading the experience here and read when I have
> > time
> > > and would like to stay on.
> > >
> > > In grateful service,
> > >
> > > Marsha Howe
> > > Sustainable Neighbors
> > > Farm-A-Yard
> > > Urban Farming Education, Training & Events
> > > sustainableneighborsnc.com
> > > www.farm-a-yard.com
> > > NC Director of Food Education
> > > Guiding Wellness Institute
> > > www.guidingwellness.com
> > >
> > > > On Nov 8, 2016, at 11:12 PM, Lawrence London <lfljvenaura@gmail.com>
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > This list was created to provide a place for exchange of ideas, news,
> > > > resources and Q&A.
> > > > It is not for endless lurking, never posting or replying.
> > > >
> > > > I need a show of hands from subscribers who want to remain in the
> list.
> > > > Post a reply to this message saying that you want to stay onboard
> and I
> > > > will add your email ID to those who will remain subscribed.
> > > > Those I have known here over the years and those who have posted in
> the
> > > > past year or so will be automatically included,
> > > >
> > > > Other list owners I have known have done this and managed to keep
> their
> > > > forums alive and active. I intend to do this here.
> > > > The message archives and the list mirror will remain accessable and
> > > > searchable by the public...
> > > > One week ought to be enough time to get this sorted out.
> > > > --
> > > > Lawrence F. London, Jr.
> > > > lfljvenaura@gmail.com
> > > > https://sites.google.com/site/avantgeared
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> > >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Laura V.
> > I&D SomosAZUCAR.Org
> >
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> >
> > Happy Learning!
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 6
> > Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2016 12:11:08 -0500
> > From: Rhonda Baird <rk.baird@yahoo.com>
> > To: permaculture <permaculture@lists.ibiblio.org>
> > Subject: Re: [permaculture] This list, permaculture and discussion
> > traffic.
> > Message-ID: <7A0F03DC-37DB-4465-8F75-68B1B2461586@yahoo.com>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
> >
> > Likewise, I would like to stay on the list. -rhonda
> > > On Nov 10, 2016, at 9:20 AM, christopher nesbitt <
> > christopher.nesbitt@mmrfbz.org> wrote:
> > >
> > > Hi Lawrence,
> > >
> > > I want to be n board. I post very seldom, but when I did, it is
> usually a
> > > very long reply. I value being a part of this.
> > >
> > > Thank you,
> > >
> > > Christopher
> > >
> > > _____________________________
> > >
> > > Christopher Nesbitt
> > >
> > >
> > > Maya Mountain Research Farm
> > >
> > > San Pedro Columbia, Toledo
> > >
> > > PO 153 Punta Gorda Town, Toledo
> > >
> > > BELIZE,
> > >
> > > Central America
> > >
> > >
> > > www.mmrfbz.org
> > > www.facebook.com/MayaMountainResearchFarm
> > >
> > > On Tue, Nov 8, 2016 at 10:12 PM, Lawrence London <
> lfljvenaura@gmail.com>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > >> This list was created to provide a place for exchange of ideas, news,
> > >> resources and Q&A.
> > >> It is not for endless lurking, never posting or replying.
> > >>
> > >> I need a show of hands from subscribers who want to remain in the
> list.
> > >> Post a reply to this message saying that you want to stay onboard and
> I
> > >> will add your email ID to those who will remain subscribed.
> > >> Those I have known here over the years and those who have posted in
> the
> > >> past year or so will be automatically included,
> > >>
> > >> Other list owners I have known have done this and managed to keep
> their
> > >> forums alive and active. I intend to do this here.
> > >> The message archives and the list mirror will remain accessable and
> > >> searchable by the public...
> > >> One week ought to be enough time to get this sorted out.
> > >> --
> > >> Lawrence F. London, Jr.
> > >> lfljvenaura@gmail.com
> > >> https://sites.google.com/site/avantgeared
> > >> permaculture mailing list
> > >> permaculture@lists.ibiblio.org
> > >> subscribe/unsubscribe|user config|list info:
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> >
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 7
> > Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2016 18:06:56 -0500
> > From: Lawrence London <lfljvenaura@gmail.com>
> > To: permaculture <permaculture@lists.ibiblio.org>
> > Subject: [permaculture] As Trump Transitions to Power, 'Cabinet of
> > Horrors' Takes Shape | Common Dreams | Breaking News & Views for
> > the
> > Progressive Community
> > Message-ID:
> > <CA+j2Q+CZLX8bmVJhrxUXd93h2=GNeWmY2f1X_ktJQC0RhaRamQ@mail.
> > gmail.com>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
> >
> > http://www.commondreams.org/news/2016/11/10/trump-
> > transitions-power-cabinet-horrors-takes-shape
> >
> > Published on
> > Thursday, November 10, 2016
> > by
> > Common Dreams <http://www.commondreams.org>
> > As Trump Transitions to Power, 'Cabinet of Horrors' Takes Shape
> >
> > Climate skeptics, oil tycoons, campaign loyalists, war hawks, and law
> > enforcement enthusiasts top the list of potential appointees
> > by
> > Lauren McCauley, staff writer
> > <http://www.commondreams.org/author/lauren-mccauley-staff-writer>
> > 60 Comments
> > <http://commons.commondreams.org/t/as-trump-transitions-to-
> > power-cabinet-of-horrors-takes-shape/32714>
> >
> > Yup, her too. (Photo: Gage Skidmore
> > <https://www.flickr.com/photos/gageskidmore/8571336506>/cc/flickr)
> >
> > As President-elect Donald Trump
> > <http://www.commondreams.org/news/2016/11/09/wtf-usa-shock-
> > and-horror-donald-trump-wins-presidency>
> > began his transition to power on Thursday, early reporting has opened a
> > window into what the nation can expect as his "cabinet of horrors," as
> > *AFP* put
> > it
> > <http://www.france24.com/en/20161110-usa-trump-cabinet-
> > horrors-democrats-giuliani-christie-carson>,
> > takes shape.
> >
> > New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie, Rudy Giuliani, Ben Carson, Newt Gingrich,
> > Florida Gov. Rick Scott, and former Alaskan Gov. Sarah Palin are among
> the
> > more high-profile individuals named on a shortlist of potential
> appointees
> > leaked
> > <http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/2016-election-day/
> > gingrich-giuliani-priebus-eyed-top-jobs-trump-white-
> house-sources-n678881>
> > to several
> > <https://www.buzzfeed.com/johnstanton/secretary-of-
> > education-ben-carson-heres-a-list-potential-tru?utm_term=.
> > tgeMGbjG7#.oa5bV1aVQ>
> > news outlets.
> >
> > On Wednesday, *BuzzFeed News* published
> > <https://www.buzzfeed.com/johnstanton/secretary-of-
> > education-ben-carson-heres-a-list-potential-tru?utm_term=.
> > tgeMGbjG7#.oa5bV1aVQ>a
> > list of 41 names suggested for 13 positions, including attorney general,
> > secretary of state, White House chief of staff, and White House counsel.
> >
> > And while some, like Christie, were unsurprising, as *Salon*'s Brendan
> > Gauthier wrote
> > <http://www.salon.com/2016/11/09/in-donald-trumps-cabinet-
> > from-hell-corporatism-and-cronyism-run-rampant-and-
> > sarah-palin-may-be-there-too/>,
> > "The people whose names you don't recognize are as bad or worse as those
> > whose names you're sick of hearing."
> >
> > For example, Retired Lt. Gen. Michael Flynn, who is being considered to
> > head the Department of Defense, "was fired from his post as head of the
> > Defense Intelligence Agency in 2014, which he attributed to his
> > hawkishness," Gauthier reports.
> >
> > Oil executive Forrest Lucas is favored to take over the Department of the
> > Interior, multiple outlets have reported
> > <http://www.politico.com/story/2016/09/forrest-lucas-
> > trump-interior-secretary-228364>.
> > "That's a position that oversees land management, national parks and
> > wildlife reserves, and Lucas at the helm would represent a nightmare
> > scenario for environmentalists," *AFP* reported.
> >
> > Also being considered for that position is Palin, the former vice
> > presidential candidate made famous for her love of hunting
> > <https://www.thedodo.com/sarah-palin-animal-villain-999374582.html> and
> > frequent chants of "drill, baby, drill."
> >
> > It has previously been revealed
> > <https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/trump-picks-top-
> > climate-skeptic-to-lead-epa-transition/>that
> > top climate skeptic Myron Ebell, who serves as director of the Center for
> > Energy and Environment at the conservative Competitive Enterprise
> > Institute, is spearheading transition plans for the Environmental
> > Protection Agency (EPA)?a department Trump repeatedly vowed
> > <http://www.cnbc.com/2016/11/09/regulation-buster-trump-
> > takes-aim-at-the-epa.html>to
> > dismantle during his run-up to the election.
> >
> > "In some cases," *BuzzFeed* reports, "it appears the transition team is
> > looking to find a home for a particularly loyal ally?Ben Carson, for
> > instance, is listed as a potential candidate to be the secretary of
> > education and secretary of health and human services, while Sen. Jeff
> > Sessions is listed as a possible attorney general, head of the Office of
> > Management and Budget, or secretary of defense."
> >
> > As for the heavy-hitters, former Republican House speaker Gingrich is
> being
> > floated for the position of secretary of state, which *AFP* notes, "would
> > have major implications for U.S. foreign policy and Washington?s role in
> > the international community."
> >
> > Gingrich, who has lauded
> > <http://insider.foxnews.com/2016/08/15/newt-gingrich-
> > hannity-donald-trump-speech-isis-radical-islam-was-historic>Trump's
> > approach to foreign policy, has had his own international views described
> > as "unpredictable,
> > <http://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2012/01/
> > the-dangerously-unpredictable-foreign-policy-of-newt-gingrich/251734/>"
> > "hawkish
> > <http://demerarawaves.com/2016/11/09/guyana-caribbean-
> > told-to-brace-for-aggressive-us-foreign-policy/>,"
> > and "shameless
> > <http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2016/11/07/why_
> > newt_gingrich_would_be_a_perfect_secretary_of_state_for_trump.html>
> > ."
> >
> > Meanwhile, Christie and Giuliani?each
> > <http://www.commondreams.org/news/2016/11/04/two-top-
> > allies-trump-surrogate-chris-christie-found-guilty-role-bridgegate>
> > with their own questionable
> > <http://www.businessinsider.com/criticism-for-giulianis-
> > broken-windows-theory-2014-12>
> > interpretations of the law?are reportedly in competition for the role of
> > attorney general. This particular appointment, Maurice Chammah wrote
> > <https://www.themarshallproject.org/2016/11/09/what-trump-s-win-means-
> > for-chicago-and-baltimore-s-cops#.pih2ma4W8>
> > at the criminal justice-focused Marshall Project on Wednesday, is "poised
> > to upend...[o]ne of the Obama administration's most aggressive civil
> rights
> > tactics?the investigation and forced reform of local police departments."
> >
> > "Under a new attorney general," Chammah wrote, "priorities could shift
> > practically overnight. New investigations could grind to a halt, and
> > court-ordered consent decrees could stall as career [Department of
> Justice]
> > lawyers are ordered to abandon their efforts"?which would be a serious
> blow
> > to the criminal justice reform movement.
> >
> > The list provided to *BuzzFeed* is included below, but these 41 names
> only
> > scratch the surface of a Trump administration. As the recently-launched
> > transition website Greatagain.gov <https://www.greatagain.gov/> notes,
> the
> > incoming administration is responsible for selecting candidates for
> > "approximately 4,100 presidential appointments."
> >
> > *List of Potential Trump Cabinet Nominees:*
> >
> > *Attorney General:*
> >
> > - NJ Gov. Chris Christie
> > - Florida Attorney General Pam Bondi
> > - Alabama Sen. Jeff Sessions
> > - Former NYC Mayor Rudy Giuliani
> >
> > *Secretary of Commerce:*
> >
> > - NJ Gov. Chris Christie
> > - Former Nucor CEO Dan DiMicco
> > - Businessman Lew Eisenberg
> > - Former Arkansas Gov. Mike Huckabee
> > - Georgia Sen. David Purdue
> > - Former Missouri Sen. Jim Talent
> >
> > *Agriculture Secretary:*
> >
> > - Kansas Gov. Sam Brownback
> > - National Council of Farmer Cooperatives CEO Chuck Conner
> > - Former Nebraska Gov. Dave Heineman
> > - Texas Agricultural Commissioner Sid Miller
> > - Former Georgia Gov. Sonny Perdue
> >
> > *Secretary of Education:*
> >
> > - Ben Carson
> > - Hoover Institution fellow William Evers
> >
> > *Secretary of Energy:*
> >
> > - Venture Capitalist Robert Grady
> > - Businessman Harold Hamm
> >
> > *Secretary of Health and Human Services:*
> >
> > - Former New Jersey state Sen. Rich Bagger
> > - Ben Carson
> > - Former US House Speaker Newt Gingrich
> > - Florida Gov. Rick Scott
> >
> > *Secretary of Homeland Security:*
> >
> > - NJ Gov. Chris Christie
> > - Milwaukee County Sheriff David Clarke
> >
> > *Secretary of the Interior:*
> >
> > - Former Arizaona Gov. Jan Brewer
> > - Oklahoma Gov. Mary Fallin
> > - Venture Capitalist Robert Grady
> > - Businessman Harold Hamm
> > - Oil Executive Forrest Lucas
> > - Rep. Cynthia Lummis
> > - Former Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin
> >
> > *Secretary of Defense:*
> >
> > - Retired Lt. Gen. Mike Flynn
> > - Former Bush National Security Advisor Stephen Hadley
> > - Rep. Duncan Hunter Jr.
> > - Alabama Sen. Jeff Sessions
> > - Former Missouri Sen. Jim Talent
> >
> > *Secretary of State:*
> >
> > - Former UN Ambassador John Bolton
> > - Tennessee Sen. Bob Corker
> > - Former US House Speaker Newt Gingrich
> >
> > *Treasury Secretary:*
> >
> > - US Rep. Jeb Hensarling
> > - Businessman Carl Icahn
> > - Former Goldman Sachs Banker Steven Mnuchin
> >
> > *Chief of Staff:*
> >
> > - Reince Priebus
> >
> > *Director of Office of Management and Budget:*
> >
> > - Alabama Sen. Jeff Sessions
> >
> > *Secretary of Labor:*
> >
> > - EEOC Commissioner Victoria Lipnic
> >
> > *Veterans Affairs:*
> >
> > - Florida US Rep. Jeff Miller
> >
> > *White House Counsel:*
> >
> > - Former Chair of Federal Elections Commission Donald McGahn
> >
> > This work is licensed under a Creative Commons Attribution-Share Alike
> 3.0
> > License
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 8
> > Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2016 10:24:54 +1100
> > From: Robyn Francis <robyn@permaculture.com.au>
> > To: permaculture <permaculture@lists.ibiblio.org>
> > Subject: Re: [permaculture] This list, permaculture and discussion
> > traffic.
> > Message-ID: <C4E22C71-B681-4E11-8E73-28956749D56D@permaculture.com.au>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
> >
> > I wholeheartedly agree with your sentiment Bob. IMO the only people that
> > need to be turfed off the list should be spammers and we don?t seem to
> > suffer from those. This process is filling up my inbox in a most annoying
> > way ? it takes time to delete all these messages. Have faith that if
> people
> > don?t unsubscribe or request to leave the list they?re happy to
> participate
> > and readers are valuable. Value the marginal, and that includes the
> > ?lurkers?
> > Robyn
> >
> > > On 9 Nov 2016, at 3:50 pm, Bob Waldrop <bob@bobwaldrop.net> wrote:
> > >
> > > I think that you are on the verge of destroying this conversation.
> > Listeners are as important as talkers. It doesn't seem to me that
> anything
> > is broken about this conversation. So I'm not sure what you are trying
> to
> > fix. Given the situation in the world right now, to destroy a
> conversation
> > such as this would be a crime against a better future.
> > >
> > > Bob Waldrop, Oklahoma City
> > >
> > > On 11/8/2016 10:12 PM, Lawrence London wrote:
> > >> This list was created to provide a place for exchange of ideas, news,
> > >> resources and Q&A.
> > >> It is not for endless lurking, never posting or replying.
> > >>
> > >> I need a show of hands from subscribers who want to remain in the
> list.
> > >> Post a reply to this message saying that you want to stay onboard and
> I
> > >> will add your email ID to those who will remain subscribed.
> > >> Those I have known here over the years and those who have posted in
> the
> > >> past year or so will be automatically included,
> > >>
> > >> Other list owners I have known have done this and managed to keep
> their
> > >> forums alive and active. I intend to do this here.
> > >> The message archives and the list mirror will remain accessable and
> > >> searchable by the public...
> > >> One week ought to be enough time to get this sorted out.
> > >
> > > permaculture mailing list
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> > > http://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/permaculture
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 9
> > Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2016 00:01:02 +0000 (UTC)
> > From: Michael Pilarski <friendsofthetrees@yahoo.com>
> > To: permaculture <permaculture@lists.ibiblio.org>
> > Subject: Re: [permaculture] This list, permaculture and discussion
> > traffic.
> > Message-ID: <2144710924.1730230.1478822462512@mail.yahoo.com>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
> >
> > Keep me on the list though I sometimes don't respond for long periods of
> > time.?
> >
> > Undoubtedly there are many others like me, One of the values of this
> > listserve is that many people read it.? Reducing the number of readers
> > reduces its value.?? My 2 cents.? ?Michael "Skeeter" Pilarski
> > Permaculture - Wildcrafting - Medicinal Herbs & Seeds
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Thursday, November 10, 2016 3:26 PM, Robyn Francis <
> > robyn@permaculture.com.au> wrote:
> >
> >
> > I wholeheartedly agree with your sentiment Bob.? IMO the only people
> that
> > need to be turfed off the list should be spammers and we don?t seem to
> > suffer from those. This process is filling up my inbox in a most annoying
> > way ? it takes time to delete all these messages. Have faith that if
> people
> > don?t unsubscribe or request to leave the list they?re happy to
> participate
> > and readers are valuable. Value the marginal, and that includes the
> > ?lurkers?
> > Robyn
> >
> > > On 9 Nov 2016, at 3:50 pm, Bob Waldrop <bob@bobwaldrop.net> wrote:
> > >
> > > I think that you are on the verge of destroying this conversation.?
> > Listeners are as important as talkers. It doesn't seem to me that
> anything
> > is broken about this conversation.? So I'm not sure what you are trying
> to
> > fix.? Given the situation in the world right now, to destroy a
> conversation
> > such as this would be a crime against a better future.
> > >
> > > Bob Waldrop, Oklahoma City
> > >
> > > On 11/8/2016 10:12 PM, Lawrence London wrote:
> > >> This list was created to provide a place for exchange of ideas, news,
> > >> resources and Q&A.
> > >> It is not for endless lurking, never posting or replying.
> > >>
> > >> I need a show of hands from subscribers who want to remain in the
> list.
> > >> Post a reply to this message saying that you want to stay onboard and
> I
> > >> will add your email ID to those who will remain subscribed.
> > >> Those I have known here over the years and those who have posted in
> the
> > >> past year or so will be automatically included,
> > >>
> > >> Other list owners I have known have done this and managed to keep
> their
> > >> forums alive and active. I intend to do this here.
> > >> The message archives and the list mirror will remain accessable and
> > >> searchable by the public...
> > >> One week ought to be enough time to get this sorted out.
> > >
> > > permaculture mailing list
> > > permaculture@lists.ibiblio.org
> > > subscribe/unsubscribe|user config|list info:
> > > http://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/permaculture
> >
> > permaculture mailing list
> > permaculture@lists.ibiblio.org
> > subscribe/unsubscribe|user config|list info:
> > http://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/permaculture
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 10
> > Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2016 21:07:16 -0500
> > From: Natalie Tourelle <natalietourelle@gmail.com>
> > To: permaculture <permaculture@lists.ibiblio.org>
> > Subject: Re: [permaculture] This list, permaculture and discussion
> > traffic.
> > Message-ID: <582527D4.70907@gmail.com>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
> >
> > I'd like to remain subscribed to this list.
> > thank you.
> >
> > On 11/08/2016 11:12 PM, Lawrence London wrote:
> > > This list was created to provide a place for exchange of ideas, news,
> > > resources and Q&A.
> > > It is not for endless lurking, never posting or replying.
> > >
> > > I need a show of hands from subscribers who want to remain in the list.
> > > Post a reply to this message saying that you want to stay onboard and I
> > > will add your email ID to those who will remain subscribed.
> > > Those I have known here over the years and those who have posted in the
> > > past year or so will be automatically included,
> > >
> > > Other list owners I have known have done this and managed to keep their
> > > forums alive and active. I intend to do this here.
> > > The message archives and the list mirror will remain accessable and
> > > searchable by the public...
> > > One week ought to be enough time to get this sorted out.
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 11
> > Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2016 22:16:36 -0500
> > From: "=?utf-8?b?RGFycmVsbCBFLiBGcmV5?=" <defrey@bioshelter.com>
> > To: permaculture <permaculture@lists.ibiblio.org>
> > Subject: Re: [permaculture] This list, permaculture and discussion
> > traffic.
> > Message-ID: <20161110221636.mi2br3g288wss8sc@webmail.bioshelter.com>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format="flowed"
> >
> > All good, Keep it going
> > ?
> >
> > Darrell E. Frey
> > Three Sisters Farm
> > defrey@bioshelter.com
> > www.bioshelter.com
> >
> > Author; Bioshelter Market Garden: A Permaculture Farm. New Society
> > Publishing, 2011
> >
> > On Thu, 10 Nov 2016 21:07:16 -0500, Natalie Tourelle wrote:
> >
> > I'd like to remain subscribed to this list.
> > thank you.
> >
> > On 11/08/2016 11:12 PM, Lawrence London wrote:
> > > This list was created to provide a place for exchange of ideas, news,
> > > resources and Q&A.
> > > It is not for endless lurking, never posting or replying.
> > >
> > > I need a show of hands from subscribers who want to remain in the list.
> > > Post a reply to this message saying that you want to stay onboard and I
> > > will add your email ID to those who will remain subscribed.
> > > Those I have known here over the years and those who have posted in the
> > > past year or so will be automatically included,
> > >
> > > Other list owners I have known have done this and managed to keep their
> > > forums alive and active. I intend to do this here.
> > > The message archives and the list mirror will remain accessable and
> > > searchable by the public...
> > > One week ought to be enough time to get this sorted out.
> > >
> >
> > permaculture mailing list
> > permaculture@lists.ibiblio.org
> > subscribe/unsubscribe|user config|list info:
> > http://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/permaculture
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 12
> > Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2016 23:30:37 -0500
> > From: Jonathan Spencer <jss@mindspring.com>
> > To: permaculture@lists.ibiblio.org
> > Subject: Re: [permaculture] This list, permaculture and discussion
> > traffic.
> > Message-ID: <dc319b36-021d-eb60-a467-f67ba180f60d@mindspring.com>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed
> >
> > Keep me, please ! Thanks, Lawrence.
> >
> >
> > On 11/10/2016 7:01 PM, Michael Pilarski via permaculture wrote:
> > > Keep me on the list though I sometimes don't respond for long periods
> of
> > time.
> > >
> > > Undoubtedly there are many others like me, One of the values of this
> > listserve is that many people read it. Reducing the number of readers
> > reduces its value. My 2 cents. Michael "Skeeter" Pilarski
> > > Permaculture - Wildcrafting - Medicinal Herbs & Seeds
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On Thursday, November 10, 2016 3:26 PM, Robyn Francis <
> > robyn@permaculture.com.au> wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > I wholeheartedly agree with your sentiment Bob. IMO the only people
> > that need to be turfed off the list should be spammers and we don?t seem
> to
> > suffer from those. This process is filling up my inbox in a most annoying
> > way ? it takes time to delete all these messages. Have faith that if
> people
> > don?t unsubscribe or request to leave the list they?re happy to
> participate
> > and readers are valuable. Value the marginal, and that includes the
> > ?lurkers?
> > > Robyn
> > >
> > >> On 9 Nov 2016, at 3:50 pm, Bob Waldrop <bob@bobwaldrop.net> wrote:
> > >>
> > >> I think that you are on the verge of destroying this conversation.
> > Listeners are as important as talkers. It doesn't seem to me that
> anything
> > is broken about this conversation. So I'm not sure what you are trying
> to
> > fix. Given the situation in the world right now, to destroy a
> conversation
> > such as this would be a crime against a better future.
> > >>
> > >> Bob Waldrop, Oklahoma City
> > >>
> > >> On 11/8/2016 10:12 PM, Lawrence London wrote:
> > >>> This list was created to provide a place for exchange of ideas, news,
> > >>> resources and Q&A.
> > >>> It is not for endless lurking, never posting or replying.
> > >>>
> > >>> I need a show of hands from subscribers who want to remain in the
> list.
> > >>> Post a reply to this message saying that you want to stay onboard
> and I
> > >>> will add your email ID to those who will remain subscribed.
> > >>> Those I have known here over the years and those who have posted in
> the
> > >>> past year or so will be automatically included,
> > >>>
> > >>> Other list owners I have known have done this and managed to keep
> their
> > >>> forums alive and active. I intend to do this here.
> > >>> The message archives and the list mirror will remain accessable and
> > >>> searchable by the public...
> > >>> One week ought to be enough time to get this sorted out.
> > >> permaculture mailing list
> > >> permaculture@lists.ibiblio.org
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> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 13
> > Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2016 09:59:06 -0500
> > From: "Eisenhauer" <eisenhauerdesign@earthlink.net>
> > To: "'permaculture'" <permaculture@lists.ibiblio.org>
> > Subject: Re: [permaculture] This list, permaculture and discussion
> > traffic.
> > Message-ID: <008f01d23c2c$2a51b0b0$7ef51210$@earthlink.net>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
> >
> > I would like to stay of the list. I find it very resourceful.
> > Steven Eisenhauer
> > Artist
> > Spring Mountain Farm
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: permaculture [mailto:permaculture-bounces@lists.ibiblio.org] On
> > Behalf
> > Of Marsha Howe
> > Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2016 5:45 AM
> > To: permaculture
> > Subject: Re: [permaculture] This list, permaculture and discussion
> traffic.
> >
> > I have learned a lot reading the experience here and read when I have
> time
> > and would like to stay on.
> >
> > In grateful service,
> >
> > Marsha Howe
> > Sustainable Neighbors
> > Farm-A-Yard
> > Urban Farming Education, Training & Events sustainableneighborsnc.com
> > www.farm-a-yard.com NC Director of Food Education Guiding Wellness
> > Institute
> > www.guidingwellness.com
> >
> > > On Nov 8, 2016, at 11:12 PM, Lawrence London <lfljvenaura@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > This list was created to provide a place for exchange of ideas, news,
> > > resources and Q&A.
> > > It is not for endless lurking, never posting or replying.
> > >
> > > I need a show of hands from subscribers who want to remain in the list.
> > > Post a reply to this message saying that you want to stay onboard and
> > > I will add your email ID to those who will remain subscribed.
> > > Those I have known here over the years and those who have posted in
> > > the past year or so will be automatically included,
> > >
> > > Other list owners I have known have done this and managed to keep
> > > their forums alive and active. I intend to do this here.
> > > The message archives and the list mirror will remain accessable and
> > > searchable by the public...
> > > One week ought to be enough time to get this sorted out.
> > > --
> > > Lawrence F. London, Jr.
> > > lfljvenaura@gmail.com
> > > https://sites.google.com/site/avantgeared
> > > permaculture mailing list
> > > permaculture@lists.ibiblio.org
> > > subscribe/unsubscribe|user config|list info:
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> > permaculture mailing list
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> > http://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/permaculture
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 14
> > Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2016 13:07:49 -0500
> > From: Lawrence London <lfljvenaura@gmail.com>
> > To: permaculture <permaculture@lists.ibiblio.org>
> > Subject: Re: [permaculture] This list, permaculture and discussion
> > traffic.
> > Message-ID:
> > <CA+j2Q+CMK7sXDSye_N71_yTywvjy=wA8s-7nUXzAaH4fNwFQHg@
> > mail.gmail.com>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
> >
> > Thanks to everyone who responded to this simple rollcall to take the
> pulse
> > of interest in and use of (how you make use of it/how it serves your
> needs)
> > this permaculture list. I enjoyed reading all your replies and hope
> > everyone else did too. It was nice meeting many of you although briefly.
> I
> > wish you the best with the diverse work, projects and lifestyles you are
> > all involved with round the clock. If there is anything I can do to make
> > this list more useful and more interesting let me know. I plan to resub
> all
> > those lurkers dropped during the last rollcall as soon as I have time to
> > compile the email ID's.
> >
> > LL
> >
> > --
> > Lawrence F. London, Jr.
> > lfljvenaura@gmail.com
> > https://sites.google.com/site/avantgeared
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------
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> > End of permaculture Digest, Vol 261, Issue 1
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> >
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 3
> Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2016 12:11:37 +0100
> From: JLuc <jluc@no-log.org>
> To: permaculture@lists.ibiblio.org
> Subject: Re: [permaculture] This list, permaculture and discussion
> traffic.
> Message-ID: <o06td5$hqa$1@blaine.gmane.org>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed
>
> Le 10/11/2016 ? 10:12, Lawrence London a ?crit :
> > On Thu, Nov 10, 2016 at 2:32 AM, JLuc <jluc@no-log.org> wrote:
> >> As the editor of Passerelle Eco, the french permaculture and ecovillage
> >> related magazine, this list gives opportunities to better understand
> >> permaculture and its debates, and provides inspiration.
> > I hope this list serves you well. What is the web address for your
> magazine?
>
> Passerelle Eco is only available as a quaterly paper magazine
> but there are 2 internet sites :
>
> www.passerelleco.info provides some news,
> enables to search the summaries of the 61 published magazines
> http://passerelleco.info/themes
> and to subscribe to the magazine http://passerelleco.info/abonnements
>
> That's also where we sell our books, notably the french translations
> of Bill Mollison's "Introduction to Permaculture",
> Patrick Whitefield's "Permaculture in a Nutshell",
> Ross's "Getting Started in Permaculture"
> and Robina Mc Curdy's "Grounded Vision, Empowering Culture".
> http://passerelleco.info/livres
>
> http://www.ecovillageglobal.fr
> collects and promotes readership's announcements and opportunities.
> There are 3 main categories :
> one for existing ecovillages, cohousing, ecofarms etc,
> one for emerging ecovillages or permaculture or living places projects,
> one for all other activities, exchanges, meetings and projects.
> No adverts there.
> After a couple of weeks, these get collected and summarized,
> and are later published in the paper magazine.
>
> > COLLECTIONS
> > Emilia Hazelip's Synergistic Agriculture - Collected Papers
> > <http://www.ibiblio.org/ecolandtech/souscayrous/EmiliaHazelip-
> SynergisticAgriculture>
> > Marc Bonfils' Agricultural Research
> > <http://www.ibiblio.org/ecolandtech/souscayrous/MarcBonfils-
> AgriculturalResearch>
>
> Inspiring ressources.
>
> JLuc
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 4
> Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2016 09:24:56 -0500
> From: Lawrence London <lfljvenaura@gmail.com>
> To: permaculture <permaculture@lists.ibiblio.org>
> Subject: Re: [permaculture] This list, permaculture and discussion
> traffic.
> Message-ID:
> <CA+j2Q+BxX08Dg64808XnMacZj-Sr2a00C1uVikQViJKu-dnZRA@mail.
> gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
>
> On Sat, Nov 12, 2016 at 6:11 AM, JLuc <jluc@no-log.org> wrote:
>
> > Passerelle Eco is only available as a quaterly paper magazine
> > but there are 2 internet sites :
> >
> > www.passerelleco.info provides some news,
> > enables to search the summaries of the 61 published magazines
> > http://passerelleco.info/themes
> > and to subscribe to the magazine http://passerelleco.info/abonnements
> >
>
> JLuc:
>
> This looks wonderful. Your work is excellent and I will be spending time
> browsing all the links you have provided.
>
> I would imagine that Permaculture Design Magazine would be interested in
> what you all are doing in France with your publication:
> Here's contact info from his recent post:
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: John Wages <jwages@earthlink.net>
> Date: Wed, Nov 9, 2016 at 9:01 AM
> Subject: Re: [permaculture] This list, permaculture and discussion traffic.
> To: permaculture <permaculture@lists.ibiblio.org>
>
> The latest issue of Permaculture Design is out. We now have both print and
> digital editions: www.PermacultureDesignMagazine.com. We'd love your
> feedback on the new website.
>
>
> --
> Lawrence F. London, Jr.
> lfljvenaura@gmail.com
> https://sites.google.com/site/avantgeared
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 5
> Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2016 10:38:02 +0000
> From: joao pedro goncalves <joaovox@gmail.com>
> To: permaculture <permaculture@lists.ibiblio.org>
> Subject: Re: [permaculture] This list, permaculture and discussion
> traffic.
> Message-ID:
> <CAN-WxvRM6Vibt7Xe8LSVeo-+iO1XPqta4CG0JYVTEybHKL5PGQ@
> mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
>
> Dear Robyn,
>
> Yes, I believe, WE all (want to) value the marginal.
>
> But, to do so, we need to look for it and know it exists, and its process.
>
> Feedback is too precious, we should give and must ask for it.
>
> I would suggest that each of us posts, at least, once every 6 months,
>
> informing whether we are reading some or most of what is being posted here.
>
> Bob:
>
> do not understand your talk about
>
> "destroying this conversation"
>
> You mean, rigid rules? swiftly implemented or so?
>
> Could we have both a list of behaviour that builds
> and destroys this conversation ?
>
> Lawrence:
>
> "It is not for endless lurking, never posting or replying."
>
> this reminds us that this is a permaculture list,
> a feedback driven proccess.
>
> We know that no-replying is feedback too,
> and that is why we see Laurence call for a show of hands.
>
> Thank you for your good work and show of hands.
>
> Jo?o
>
> Sun and wind in Lisboa, Portugal
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On 11/10/16, Robyn Francis <robyn@permaculture.com.au> wrote:
> > I wholeheartedly agree with your sentiment Bob. IMO the only people that
> > need to be turfed off the list should be spammers and we don?t seem to
> > suffer from those. This process is filling up my inbox in a most annoying
> > way ? it takes time to delete all these messages. Have faith that if
> people
> > don?t unsubscribe or request to leave the list they?re happy to
> participate
> > and readers are valuable. Value the marginal, and that includes the
> > ?lurkers?
> > Robyn
> >
> >> On 9 Nov 2016, at 3:50 pm, Bob Waldrop <bob@bobwaldrop.net> wrote:
> >>
> >> I think that you are on the verge of destroying this conversation.
> >> Listeners are as important as talkers. It doesn't seem to me that
> anything
> >> is broken about this conversation. So I'm not sure what you are trying
> to
> >> fix. Given the situation in the world right now, to destroy a
> >> conversation such as this would be a crime against a better future.
> >>
> >> Bob Waldrop, Oklahoma City
> >>
> >> On 11/8/2016 10:12 PM, Lawrence London wrote:
> >>> This list was created to provide a place for exchange of ideas, news,
> >>> resources and Q&A.
> >>> It is not for endless lurking, never posting or replying.
> >>>
> >>> I need a show of hands from subscribers who want to remain in the list.
> >>> Post a reply to this message saying that you want to stay onboard and I
> >>> will add your email ID to those who will remain subscribed.
> >>> Those I have known here over the years and those who have posted in the
> >>> past year or so will be automatically included,
> >>>
> >>> Other list owners I have known have done this and managed to keep their
> >>> forums alive and active. I intend to do this here.
> >>> The message archives and the list mirror will remain accessable and
> >>> searchable by the public...
> >>> One week ought to be enough time to get this sorted out.
> >>
> >> permaculture mailing list
> >> permaculture@lists.ibiblio.org
> >> subscribe/unsubscribe|user config|list info:
> >> http://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/permaculture
> >
> > permaculture mailing list
> > permaculture@lists.ibiblio.org
> > subscribe/unsubscribe|user config|list info:
> > http://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/permaculture
> >
>
>
> --
> Jo?o Gon?alves
> http://ecotrabalho.com
> http://permacultureglobal.com/users/902-joao-goncalves
> + 351 96 96 80 009
> Alc?ntara - Lisboa e Ch?o Sobral - Oliveira do Hospital - Serra do A?or -
> Portugal
>
> "Hoje, ao escolher o que comer e o que comprar est? a decidir se os seus
> filhos v?o herdar um planeta em melhor ou pior estado daquele que voc?
> encontrou."
>
> "Today as you choose what to eat and what to buy you decide if your
> children will inherit a planet in a better or worse shape than you found
> it."
>
> Para descobrir:
> Document?rio "Alface" na Aldeia das Amoreiras
> http://vimeo.com/58999047
> Herdade do Freixo do Meio
> http://herdadedofreixodomeio.pt/
> "Comida que nunca acaba" / Permacultura no Malawi
> http://www.neverendingfood.org/
> Centro de Ecologia Integral
> http://www.integralecology.org
> Nyumbani - Kenya
> http://www.nyumbani.org/about-us
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 6
> Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2016 08:03:46 -0500
> From: Lawrence London <lfljvenaura@gmail.com>
> To: permaculture <permaculture@lists.ibiblio.org>
> Subject: Re: [permaculture] This list, permaculture and discussion
> traffic.
> Message-ID:
> <CA+j2Q+AbzRNR=9Wqyfzc4JO66E7rvXdzHhVyBgoH+yQbmNX2gQ@mail.
> gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
>
> On Mon, Nov 14, 2016 at 5:38 AM, joao pedro goncalves <joaovox@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Yes, I believe, WE all (want to) value the marginal.
> >
> > But, to do so, we need to look for it and know it exists, and its
> process.
> >
> > Feedback is too precious, we should give and must ask for it.
> >
> >
> I agree. For me attaining the ultimate, the holy grail, the max can be
> pondered alone with one's thoughts, but to get there requires community,
> brainstorming, group exploration and eventually experimentation on site.
> This is why I liked the 60's so much. The coffeehouse era allowed us to
> gather and talk (without the usual alcohol or recreational drugs) or play
> chess or read, write or recite or smoke our pipes, cigars or imported
> Balkan Sobranie cigarettes (now I would avoid tobacco, replaced with a
> little ginseng, ginko, gotu kola,fo ti). No limits, plenty of time Plenty
> of things to explore, rambling, stream of consciousness, taking notes,
> establishing threads to bring back another time. We enjoyed impromptu think
> tanks, developed visions for the turure of agriculture, laid the groundwork
> for what became permaculture. The collective mindset amassed energy, ideas
> and concepts. We explored the world around us from the urban to wildlands
> savoring local wildspaces sequestered in fragile nodes within the developed
> monoliths. At that time a world with little pollution was ours to explore.
> Many of us had the wanderlust; I made it as far as Mexico. The world was
> safe back then. We can recreate that world if we work on it.
>
> "It is not for endless lurking, never posting or replying."
> >
> > this reminds us that this is a permaculture list,
> > a feedback driven proccess.
> >
> > We know that no-replying is feedback too,
> > and that is why we see Laurence call for a show of hands.
> >
> > Thank you for your good work and show of hands.
> >
>
> I am glad to help and am enjoying the ride.
> Viva Che (gave the finger to those who would destroy Gurtemala - he would
> be rolling in his grave if he could see Central America now - what do you
> think he would say about that one's new immigration policy, much less the
> wall)
> Viva Los Gitanos
> Alegrias y penas de andalucia.
> Viva Woody Guthrie
>
>
> > Jo?o
> >
> > Sun and wind in Lisboa, Portugal
> >
>
> Plant windbreaks and groves, develop edge zones.
> More later.
>
> LL
>
>
> --
> Lawrence F. London, Jr.
> lfljvenaura@gmail.com
> https://sites.google.com/site/avantgeared
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 7
> Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2016 15:51:00 +0100
> From: ossi@kulma.net
> To: permaculture@lists.ibiblio.org
> Subject: [permaculture] AGRO-ECOLOGY & PERMACULTURE CONVERGENCE
> Vanvadi, Maharashtra, India Dec 9 to 14
> Message-ID: <2a4b3de019bd48f3f46527e47ed11cf9@kulma.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed
>
> Hi!
>
> I'm forwarding here information from Bharat Mansata (sorry if this was
> here already).
>
> For more info on the convergence :
> https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSdg6LWYI9z6IO(
> WpYzar3osi4Kpc4bHd4qTVwSlxg9N_8v0lpg/viewform?c=0&w=
>
> Best wishes,
> Ossi Kakko (via Fennoscandia)
>
>
> ###
>
> Schedule of Sessions:
>
> AGRO-ECOLOGY & PERMACULTURE CONVERGENCE
>
> Vanvadi, Maharashtra, Dec 9 to 14
>
> The weekend of Dec 10-11 will focus on home food gardening. The other
> days will cover wider issues related to agro-ecology and permaculture,
> including, soil, water, biodiversity ?
>
> Friday, Dec 9, 2016
>
> 11 am to 12.45 pm: Introduction to Vanvadi, and to the Convergence aims
> & plan; followed by brief self-introductions by participants, about 2-3
> minutes per person, including what each would like to learn/benefit from
> the Convergence.
> 2.30 pm to 4 pm: Session by Narsanna on ?Applied Permaculture?
> 4.15 pm to 5.45 pm: Interactive Discussion with Narsanna and 2 or 3
> others (add names) on permaculture & agro-ecology
>
> Saturday, Dec 10:
>
> 9.30 am to 11 am: Joint open discussion with Ananya, Rosie, Narsanna,
> and Bharat on ?Collaborative Documentation and Sharing of Knowledge and
> Practices in Agro-ecology and Permaculture.?
> 11.10 to 11.30 am: Narsanna on ?International Permaculture Convergence?
> at Hyderabad in Nov. 2017; and Bharat on the ?Organic World Congress?,
> jointly organized by IFOAM and OFAI, at Noida, Delhi, a week or so
> earlier.
> 11.30 to 1 pm: Parallel Workshop Sessions: (i) ?Urban/Terrace Home Food
> Gardening Basics? with Preeti and Ananya; (ii) ?Rural/Peri-urban
> Homestead Nutrition Gardening? with Rosie-Peter
> 2.30 to 4 pm: Continued Parallel Sessions: (i) ?Urban/Terrace Home Food
> Gardening? with Preeti and Ananya; (ii) ?Rural/Peri-urban Homestead
> Nutrition Gardening? with Rosie-Peter.
> 4.15 to 5.45 pm: Joint Interactive Discussion on Home Food Gardening,
> with Preeti, Ananya, and Rosie-Peter
>
> Sunday, December 11:
>
> 7 - 8.30 am: ?Vanvadi Forest Foods and Useful Species? ? a walk with
> Mahadu Bua and Ambibai
> 9.30 am to 11 am: Parallel Workshop Sessions: (i) ?Urban/Terrace Home
> Food Gardening? with Preeti and Ananya; (ii) ?Rural/Peri-urban Homestead
> Nutrition Gardening and Integrated Agro-forestry? with Clea and
> Rosie-Peter.
> 11.15 to 12.45 pm: Continued Parallel Sessions: (i) ?Urban/Terrace Home
> Food Gardening? with Preeti and Ananya; (ii) ?Rural/Peri-urban Homestead
> Nutrition Gardening and Integrated Agro-forestry ? with Clea, and
> Rosie-Peter
> 2.30 to 4 pm: Presentation/talk by Clea on ?Permaculture Principles in
> designing a Home Food Garden/Backdoor Food Forest? (covering both
> urban/terrace and rural/peri-urban situations)
> 4.15 to 5.45 pm: Joint Interactive session and Open Discussion on Home
> Food Gardening, with Clea, Preeti, Ananya, and Rosie-Peter
>
> Monday, December 12:
>
> 9.30 am to 11 am: Talk/Presentation by Clea on: ?Agro-ecology and Soil
> Regeneration?
> 11.15 to 12.45 pm: Talk/Presentation by Clea on: ?Agro-ecology and
> Tree-based Farming?
> 2.30 to 4 pm: Talk by Naresh Save (translated by Bharat) on ?Bhaskar
> Save?s way of Natural Farming?; alternatively, session with Raju Titus
> on ?Seedballs in Fukuoka?s way of No-Till Natural Farming?
> 4.15 to 5.45 pm: Open Discussion with Leslie, Vasantbhai and Bharat on
> ?Integral Lifestyle Permaculture and Social Permaculture?
>
> Tuesday, December 13:
>
> 9.30 - 11 am: Workshop by Vasantbhai on 'Soil and Water Conservation,
> including Contour-line Management?
> 11.15 - 12.45 pm: Session with Debal on ?Selection and Conservation of
> Crop Varieties in a Farmer-oriented Participatory Breeding Programme?
> 2.30 -4 pm: Talk/Presentation by Nareshbhai Save on: ?Bhaskar Save?s
> approach to Orchard Development, integrating Short Lifespan, Medium
> Lifespan and Long Lifespan Species?;
> 4.15 to 5.45 pm: Open Discussion with Debal, and Clea on 'The Meanings
> of Sustainability in an Agro-ecological Context'
>
> Wednesday, December 14
>
> 9.30 am to 11 am: Talk / presentation by Debal on ?Agro-ecology and
> Conservation?
> 11.15 to 12.45 pm: Session with Vasantbhai on ?Farmer level Networking,
> and Seed Festivals for Crop Diversity Conservation and Sharing,
> including Relevant Knowledge?
> 2.30 - 4 pm: Collective Evaluation and Discussion session on the
> Convergence; and Future Collaboration Plans
>
> The invitation to the Convergence, posted earlier, includes registration
> details and other relevant information for intending participants. Early
> registration is requested and recommended. We have shared accommodation
> for a maximum of 35 people. Those registering late may thus need to
> bring their own tents, or be prepared to sleep under the open sky, which
> can be quite enjoyable if you are suitably equipped with a warm sleeping
> bag.
>
> Please feel free to share this with anyone else who may be interested.
>
> Warmly,
> Bharat
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
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> ********************************************
>



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