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  • From: Lawrence London <lfljvenaura@gmail.com>
  • To: permaculture <permaculture@lists.ibiblio.org>
  • Subject: Re: [permaculture] Ignore the anti-vaccination mindset
  • Date: Wed, 25 Mar 2015 06:31:23 -0400

On Wed, Mar 25, 2015 at 12:25 AM, Linda Shewan <linda_shewan@yahoo.com.au>
wrote:

> We in the permaculture world know that taking care of the whole is
> essential. Injecting a chemical to make a plant 'immune' to a pest or
> disease is simply not the way permaculture looks at the world... so why
>

That is the way corrupt ag looks at it.

would a permaculture practitioner believe that in human disease we are
> somehow outside the rest of the ecosystem?
>

That statement is a corruption of the meaning of permaculture and to imply
that it is not
and to try an influence others with such thinking is evil and counter to
the basic principles of permaculture,
that you live and let live and respect diversity. If you don;t want to get
vaccinated then don;t but do not try to
tell others they should not especially when your reasons are borne out of
some whacked out bandwagon conspiracy movement.

That is complete misuse of the permaculture discipline, the movement and
those in it
and is highly inconsiderate if not insulting to assume that everyone thinks
the way you do about permaculture
when you are stretching it definition and mission to suit your, what I
consider, whacked out unfounded conspiracy theories
that are at best anti social and, for no good reason, anti establishment.

>
> "so far only idiots go for that stuff"
>
> Actually it is the highly educated sector society that are coming to this
> decision, like myself. That's been well acknowledged. We read, we research,
> we listen, we examine. It's part of us, the university trained sector, to
> NOT blindly follow.
>

You are deluding yourself if you think that the educated sector of society
is anti vax. No degreed anti vaxxers deserve my or anyone else's respect.
You are putting yourself, your family and the public at serious risk by not
using readily available, inexpensive vaccinations to prevent really serious
diseases. It if inconsiderate in the extreme that anyone would put other
people at risk by not using this resource offered by the dedicated,
dilligent medical establishment to prevent themselves from becoming
infected with really serious contagious and diseases.
I am speaking from my own experience. As a child I had all, ALL, the
vacccinations recommended during that period of my development and continue
to get vaccinations for any and all things I consider myself to be at risk
for and that includes pneumonia, flu, shingles and anything else that comes
along. Ever had shingles? If so would you would you get vaccinated to
prevent future outbreaks? Of course you would unless you are an anti vax
droid (they seriously remind me of the pod people in the movie Invasion of
the Body Snatchers and it seems that this current crop of closet fascists
the right wing neocon teabag creeps are jumping on the anti vax bandwagon
and now it seems they have their savior in the political arena trying to
get control of our country - notice he gave his 'I is gonna run for
presidunce' speech at a college founded by none other than one of the most
evil entities on the planet, Pat Robertson. That says it all.
Thimerosol, mercury, was in vaccinations for a while but I think no longer.
I know about his horrible stuff from using eyewash that contained it. It no
longer contains thimerosol.
So I suppose if you were in a situation where you might be at risk for
aids, herpes, ebola, tuberculosis, malaria, hepatitis and so on,
because of your steadfast anti vax beliefs, you would not take the
necessary precautions and have yourself immunized?
If not then you are simply putting religion before practicality, personal
sustainability and putting the public at risk, something complete
counter to the most basic principles of permaculture.
For the most part trying to discuss or debate anti vax, anti abortion, pro
gun "rights" and similar extremist anti humankind theories
with the smug, intransigent, uncooperative, close minded advocates of those
mindsets is a complete waste of time.


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