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  • From: Steve Hart <stevenlawrencehart@gmail.com>
  • To: permaculture <permaculture@lists.ibiblio.org>, Bernard Alonso <bernalon9@gmail.com>
  • Subject: [permaculture] ZOO Fantasy
  • Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2014 07:03:53 +0200

Yep I go along with all that Toby and Scott purport. But what I am asking
or entering, is the question, is there another zone that has an important
contribution to make, as Bernard Alonso proves, or do we stay stuck in what
we already know and stay stuck in that mind set ?

After all fantasy is real ? for, we all fantasise...some of us more than
others. I often enjoy in my Advanced Permaculture Design Workshops asking
students to create a Wild Design. Fantasy has a little to play here. But,
what it does, is open the doors of lateral thinking in the Design Process.
Vastly lacking it seems from our PC exercises. As mentioned by Jason, there
are a few other zones that we may need to start considering tooo soooner or
later. Steve Hart


On 17 July 2014 05:51, Lawrence London <lfljvenaura@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Wed, Jul 16, 2014 at 3:08 AM, Steve Hart <stevenlawrencehart@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Roman...as much as you and I and many others would like, this subject
> will
> > never go to bed. There are many issues to this colourful sector. 1. It is
> > already firmly established in a number of Permaculture circles. 2. It may
> > be an issue to recognise and work with rather than against. 3. It may be
> a
> > field that is critical to our 2nd ethic, people care. That discussion
> will
> > take on another chapter by itself. But we have countless examples where
> we
> > are failing in this ethic. So, perhaps Z00 could be the answer to such
> > woes. 4. It is a zone like it or not. 5. It is not physical or tangible
> > but is " an invisible, intangible, non-physical space that requires
> > completely different tools to work with." and melancholy?
> >
> > As mentioned previously I will try and get hold of Bernard Alonso and get
> > his view on this subject, he teaches it in his PDCs...Steve Hart
> >
> >
> >
> Toby's and Scott's assertions about what are and what are not Permaculture
> zones, what the PC Zone System consists of and how it is used are correct
> as well as practical
> as far as I am concerned. If they will indulge us we may carry on
> brainstorming as there is more to the "Z00" picture. Reality is strange
> enough; who needs fantasy. Thanks to Steve and Ben for keeping this
> discussion alive.
>
> This is a good point to mention Scott's incredibly fine essays on
> Permaculture in his Permaculture Institute Blog,
> http://www.permaculture.org/blog/.
> Read in particular:
>
> What is Permaculture? <http://www.permaculture.org/what-is/>
> http://www.permaculture.org/what-is/
>
> Teaching Permaculture as if it Mattered
> <http://www.permaculture.org/teaching-permaculture-as-if/>
> http://www.permaculture.org/teaching-permaculture-as-if/
>
> My Journey to Permaculture
> <http://www.permaculture.org/my-journey-to-permaculture/>
> http://www.permaculture.org/my-journey-to-permaculture/
>
> I found this interesting Reddit thread and will submit a few quotes from it
> here.
>
>
> http://us.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/2avryx/what_is_the_strangest_true_fact_about_the
> What is the strangest true fact about the universe that we typically don't
> consider everyday?
> <
> http://us.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/2avryx/what_is_the_strangest_true_fact_about_the/
> >
> (self.AskReddit <http://us.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/>)
>
> Comments:
>
> 1) [–]
> <
> http://us.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/2avryx/what_is_the_strangest_true_fact_about_the#
> >
> wolverinesfire <http://us.reddit.com/user/wolverinesfire> [score hidden]
> an
> hour ago
>
> That thoughts affect the world around us atleast on a quantum level.
>
> Experiments show that our thoughts or observations of things influences the
> world around us. There are random number generators that usually give an
> equal distribution between choices. But in some experiments people have
> changed the random number generators output after concentrating on it.
>
> A similar kind of thing seems to happen in quantum physics. When a
> researcher runs an experiment firing photons through 2 slits (it has to
> choose one of two pathways), then the distribution is usually 50/50. But if
> the researcher observing this concentrates on an outcome / 1 possibility,
> this causes a noticeable change in the distribution. So the question
> becomes, if we can influence that, 1) What are we influencing? 2) How? 3)
> What else can we change/influence just by our thoughts?
> 2) Quantum entanglement.
>
> 3) I added: awareness of the incredible immensity, and power, of infinity;
> that there is no end, it all just keeps going on forever; time without end
> or, if you prefer to leave time out of the picture, a continuum of events
> without beginning or end. Also, compared to the size and mass of Earth
> itself, how little water we have on our planet, how fragile Gaia is and how
> little pollution it takes to have a significant negative impact on our
> environment.
>
> --
> Lawrence F. London
> lfljvenaura@gmail.com
> http://www.avantgeared.com
> https://plus.google.com/+Avantgeared
> Skype: lawrence.f.london
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