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  • From: deston denniston <cobbuilder@yahoo.com>
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  • Subject: Re: [permaculture] VETS_CAFE: A Permaculture Design Project
  • Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2013 22:44:14 -0800 (PST)

Thanks for the props, friends. Were working on some corporate donor levels;
Kickstarter HQ contacted us and told us we had one of the best Risks and
Challenges replies they'd ever seen and recommended we ask for corporate
contirbutions. Hopefully that makes up for the video, which was a struggle
since it was done with volunteer effort by three people who didn't
communicate.... but it got done. Check out our corporate donor levels over
the next week and drop a line about what you see- Ive been an ardent
acorporatist for years, so hardly have a handle on it, but I think the
message is coming clearer. Love any feed back you have, and of course,
contributions :)

http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/694901181/vets-cafe-a-permaculture-design-project
 

Peace,



Deston Denniston, M.S., C.P.I.

Steward, Abundance Permaculture Consulting

www.abundancepermaculture.com

(360) 673-2124

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   1. Re: VETS_CAFE: A Permaculture Design Project by Deston
      Denniston ? Kickstarter (georg parlow)
   2. Re: Who is this? (georg parlow)
   3. Root cellar walls (S P SHERMAN)
   4. Re: Root cellar walls (Jay Woods)
   5. Re: Root cellar walls (Lisa Rollens)


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Message: 1
Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2013 19:22:37 +0100
From: georg parlow <g.parlow@gmx.at>
Subject: Re: [permaculture] VETS_CAFE: A Permaculture Design Project
    by Deston Denniston ? Kickstarter
To: permaculture <permaculture@lists.ibiblio.org>
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wow, this VETS_CAFE is a great idea and worthwhile plan. Way to go!
Georg




Am 26.02.2013 um 20:26 schrieb Lawrence London:

> VETS_CAFE: A Permaculture Design Project by Deston Denniston ? 
> Kickstarter
> http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/694901181/vets-cafe-a-permaculture-design-project
>
> Illuminated text and site designs for 2.5 acre veteran owned organic
> permaculture farm.
> http://kck.st/V3FYUX
>
> VETS_CAFE <http://abundancepermaculture.com/vetscafe.html>
>
> *V*eterans *E*ntrepreneurial *T*raining and *S*tudies in
> *C*onservation* A*griculture,
> *F*orestry and *E*cology.
>
> There are 800,000+ able bodied yet unemployed veterans in the USA. 
> At the
> same time, our nation has a rapidly shrinking pool of family farmers 
> and
> diminishing access to arable lands. Our solution to this problem is
> simple-  VETS_CAFE works with veterans and our allies to develop site
> plans, including scale maps and business startup plans, which turn 
> veterans
> agricultural/environmental dreams into real income and prosperity.
>
> VETS_CAFE is currently working on its second startup farm. Our team of
> veterans and allies is developing a
> permaculture<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Permaculture>design plan for
> the development of a 2? acre urban organic farm in Olympia,
> Washington. The site owner's goal is to create an incubator farm where
> veterans transitioning to civilian life can live in a community which
> supports their health, education and personal development.  VETS_CAFE
> founder, Deston
> Denniston<http://www.abundancepermaculture.com/denniston.html
> >,
> a US Army veteran with an MS in Agriculture, 30+ years small farms
> experience, and 12 years in permaculture design practice,  will 
> guide the
> design process.
>
> Veterans working on the design team will learn skills in:
>
>   - Ecological surveying
>   - Farm systems
>   - Technical horticulture
>   - Social networking
>   - Organic agriculture
>   - Aquaculture
>   - Small animal husbandry
>   - Other skills related to regional food security
>
> The goal of our Kickstarter project is to produce illuminated site 
> designs
> that will be used to guide site-owners, farm staff, and contractors 
> over
> the years required for site development and design implementation.
> Illuminated site maps, the core of the design documents, are 
> illustrated
> rather than cartographic, telling a story and conveying information 
> richly
> in a way all ages can understand.
>
> The course, which is being taken by veterans attending Washington 
> State
> University and The Evergreen State College, as well as their 
> families and
> allies, takes participants through the entire site design process from
> start to finish. While students can take the program for credit, it 
> is not
> a catalogue class; we have made special arrangements for vets to get 
> credit
> for internship studies in recognition of the challenges vets face in
> transition. Design education in our program includes hands on, dirt 
> under
> the nails education; this is a value shared by veterans and farmers 
> alike.
>
> On program completion participants will have gained tools and 
> networks that
> allow them to re-create the process at their own homes and for their 
> own
> farm projects. Veterans earning college credit at Evergreen State 
> College
> and Washington State University are also being provided with 
> opportunities
> for follow-up business planning and development with Enterprise for 
> Equity
> and other local economic development groups.
>
> Support has already come from the Washington State Veterans 
> Conservation
> Corps <http://veteransconservationcorps.com/>, who put in about half 
> the
> funds needed to start the program and worked with us to make sure vets
> could earn college credit through their GI Bill for taking the 
> class. Other
> supporters include Enterprise for
> Equity<http://www.enterpriseforequity.org/
> >,
> an entrepreneur training program with a focus on the business 
> management
> aspects of farming and Cascade Harvest
> Coalition<http://www.cascadeharvest.org/>,
> a farm, forest and fisheries advocacy alliance, amongst others. To 
> date,
> about $7,000 of the $11,000 needed to offer this accredited 
> Permaculture
> Design Course has been raised.
>
> Contributors to our Kickstarter will receive
> seedballs<https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=477370752296589&set=pb.441829459184052.-2207520000.1361231619&type=3&src=https%3A%2F%2Fsphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net%2Fhphotos-ash3%2F644074_477370752296589_2044050209_n.jpg&size=960%2C640
>
> >at
> least, and higher levels of support will get you a CD with veteran
> interviews, class highlights and digital copies of the site designs we
> develop, or even secure you a seat in attendance at our design 
> unveiling in
> late March.
>
> If your suppoort surpasses our fundraising goals, we'll up the ante; 
> for
> every $100 beyond the goal we will donate 5lbs seedballs to Olympia 
> area
> non profit conservation and garden projects like South Sound
> Prairies<http://www.southsoundprairies.org/cnlm/>or
> GRuB <http://goodgrub.org/>;  but don't tell them we said so- its a 
> secret!
> That's in addition to the seedballs contributors will receive. Funds 
> beyond
> our goal will be used to support document production and improve
> (potentially hiring a pro) our video editing- we'll have over 100 
> hours of
> raw footage by the time were done. Email
> us<http://www.abundancepermaculture.com/contact.html>if you'd like
> more information and to confirm our commitment to fiscal
> transparency. Of course, if you're contributing as we hit those marks,
> you'll still get your seeds. Nature, and veteran service members, are
> generous like that.
>
> VETS_CAFE is a project of Abundance Consulting LLC. See
> http://abundancepermaculture.com/vetscafe.html<http://www.abundancepermaculture/
>
> >for
> more information.
>
> For more videos of projects VETS_CAFE has been involved in, see 
> videos made
> with our partners the Veterans Transition Corps Boots to
> Roots<http://www.veteranstransitioncorps.org/#%21videos/c1bmt>program.
>
> Note: While our design clients deserve the full respect and privacy 
> they
> request, it is also understood that the site plans we develop, minus
> location, etc., will be of interest to many of the contributors 
> regardless
> of support level. These designs will be viewable on our
> VETS_CAFE<https://www.facebook.com/Vets.Cafe>facebook albums. It has
> also been brought to our attention that many folks
> may live in a places where seedballs seem impracticable for them to 
> use. In
> this case we encourage seeding unused lots with our lovely western
> wildflowers. Let your revenge be known in the smiles on the faces of
> children and grandmothers.
> Risks and challenges Learn about accountability on
> Kickstarter<http://www.kickstarter.com/help/faq/kickstarter%20basics#Acco
> >
>
> Our aim is to document, deliver and propagate the design method and
> processes driving the site design. Funds will be used to support 
> this end.
> Many mishaps, obstacles and unseen re-routes may come in the process 
> of
> such a campaign.
>
> We are veterans working with veterans. Our service periods range from
> Vietnam to Post 9-11. We are both peacetime and combat vets, we are 
> spouses
> and children of vets, friends and allies to any who would heal and be
> whole. Adapt and overcome is the spirit of our enterprise - whether 
> it's
> foul weather making outdoor projects and filming impossible, or 
> personal
> injury and illness, we drive on. Side routes and hindrances are 
> expected
> (though at the time of this launch, half way through the course, 
> things are
> going very well!). We film with two cameras. Project participants are
> developing their own documents. We will cross-train project 
> participants to
> assure that sick days don't leave us with a design crew deficit. All
> digital copies are backed up with hard copies and vice versa. We 
> held a
> brainstorming and troubleshooting meeting at the beginning of the 
> project
> and have another one coming the last week of February to assure road 
> bumps
> don't become washouts. As veterans know, sometimes the deck gets 
> stacked
> against us - and that's all the more reason to start well, put in 
> more than
> full effort, and come out smiling. Join us!
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Message: 2
Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2013 19:49:51 +0100
From: georg parlow <g.parlow@gmx.at>
Subject: Re: [permaculture] Who is this?
To: permaculture <permaculture@lists.ibiblio.org>
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> sunlight he seeks to dominate are the internet search engines, if he 
> can
> come out on top of the search, then the naive seeker will be pulled 
> into
> his glossy presentation and courses. Watching his video to raise 
> money for
> his indigogo campaign, he is certainly putting forth a more mainstream
> pop-culture look than anyone else that I've seen in this movement....

Hard for me to believe that anyone would sign up for a PDC without 
already knowing people who are involved with PC - anyone trying to 
make a quick buck in a niche that is all about networks and systems 
cannot stand up for long, I would assume. Maybe wrongly so.

Generally I think it is a good sign if PC scams are sprouting - this 
certainly speaks for the growing weight of the movement.

Georg


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Message: 3
Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2013 04:57:08 +0000
From: S P SHERMAN <spsherm@msn.com>
Subject: [permaculture] Root cellar walls
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Had a question that the folks here might be able to help with...

I am building a "root cellar" in the corner of a basement. Two walls will be
the concrete foundation. The other two walls will be 2x framing with
insulation.  The  question I have is what material to use to cover the framed
walls and ceiling?  Sheet rock is not ideal due to the high humidity. Wood
would be better, but also not ideal in the humidity. Cement board is probably
OK, but a bit pricey.

Anyone come up with any good solutions for this?

TIA
                         

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Message: 4
Date: Fri, 01 Mar 2013 06:41:28 -0600
From: Jay Woods <woodsjay@cox.net>
Subject: Re: [permaculture] Root cellar walls
To: permaculture <permaculture@lists.ibiblio.org>
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Use the formica paneling that is designed for bathrooms.

On Friday, March 01, 2013 04:57:08 AM S P SHERMAN wrote:
> Had a question that the folks here might be able to help with...
>
> I am building a "root cellar" in the corner of a basement. Two walls will
be
> the concrete foundation. The other two walls will be 2x framing with
> insulation.  The  question I have is what material to use to cover the
> framed walls and ceiling?  Sheet rock is not ideal due to the high
> humidity. Wood would be better, but also not ideal in the humidity.
Cement
> board is probably OK, but a bit pricey.
>
> Anyone come up with any good solutions for this?
>
> TIA
>
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Message: 5
Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2013 08:48:00 -0600
From: Lisa Rollens <rollens@fidnet.com>
Subject: Re: [permaculture] Root cellar walls
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or the 4x8 sheets of washable ''dairy paneling'' from a hardware store in
dairy country.  Lisa


On Mar 1, 2013, at 6:41 AM, Jay Woods wrote:

> Use the formica paneling that is designed for bathrooms.
>
> On Friday, March 01, 2013 04:57:08 AM S P SHERMAN wrote:
>> Had a question that the folks here might be able to help with...
>>
>> I am building a "root cellar" in the corner of a basement. Two walls will
> be
>> the concrete foundation. The other two walls will be 2x framing with
>> insulation.  The  question I have is what material to use to cover the
>> framed walls and ceiling?  Sheet rock is not ideal due to the high
>> humidity. Wood would be better, but also not ideal in the humidity.
> Cement
>> board is probably OK, but a bit pricey.
>>
>> Anyone come up with any good solutions for this?
>>
>> TIA
>>
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