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  • From: Marty Hanks <marty AT justbeenc.com>
  • To: fee AT sprintmail.com
  • Cc: Orange County Bees <ocba AT lists.ibiblio.org>
  • Subject: Re: [ocba] A Modest Proposal - could we clarify this please?
  • Date: Sun, 26 Feb 2012 11:45:22 -0500

sorry I need to clarify...Kitty beat me to the punch. my email was meant toward the original poster and the first reply.

kitty we're good  but i need more coffee...i mean chemicals!

mh

On Sun, Feb 26, 2012 at 10:19 AM, Marty Hanks <marty AT justbeenc.com> wrote:
I disagree a tad w/ the last post. it is more a technical interpretation rather than a clarification.

chemical has always been (to the masses) as man made. so its used to explain a general term or idea or philosophy. Yes natural compounds are "chemicals" on blogs and posts like this but for the day to day conversation w/ others not as invested as we are in our trade...and others in their trade is a short cut to the point. so they do not spend hours working thru this. Also there is some debate to the strengths...but again a beekeeper w/ no respect or moderation can make things worse w/ natural compounds like Thymol.....so yes in a tech sense your right.

You may want to make it a technical issue and thats fine, but in general anything that the bees could gain access or encounter in nature is different than man made chemical made in a lab....but being of this technical mind set one could argue that the scientist drinking sweat tea while working in a lab standing by an open window could lure a bee or two in and expose them to something ther....they would then have encountered this naturally (while foraging for food)...Get the point.

Chemical is man made in this descriptive term and Natural is more about "when" you have to treat, not just because its the 3rd week in august is more to the point and philosophy. We will most likely be calling it "Natural Beekeeping" because its more about a philosophy of respecting the bees and trying to keep in balance the bees health without introducing them to things they would not normally (w/o out our help) encounter. That is what it means TO ME.....i know its an open door invitation from others and that is fine. its still all about the bees and finding the best way for them to thrive!

 I "think" that is what Lewis meant.....more of a quick descriptive way to help us find which way we raise our bees...not to start a super debate on technical terms...;-)

marty

On Sun, Feb 26, 2012 at 9:27 AM, <fee AT sprintmail.com> wrote:

Could we please stop using the term chemical free. 

 

Water is a chemical.  Bees are made up of chemicals.  You really need to specify what you mean.  Do you mean only natural products?  There are natural products that are really nasty.  Botulism toxin is among the most toxic substances known.  I had friends who would put tobacco leaves in their smoker to kill mites - totally natural.  But they wouldn’t use Apiguard because it was man-made.  Except Apiguard is thymol, one of the oils found in the herb thyme.  I’ll guarantee you that toxicity of all the crud in tobacco leaves far exceeds the that of thymol.

 

Clarifying what you mean might head off any misunderstandings too.  If there are practices that are natural, but you don’t find kind to your bees, setting down guidelines might let everyone know exactly what is expected in the “kind to your bees beeyard”.

 

Lanette Fee

 

 


-----Original Message-----
From: Leslie DiLorenzo
Sent: Feb 26, 2012 8:53 AM
To: nsadler AT mindspring.com, klparmley AT gmail.com, marty AT justbeenc.com, lewis AT hivebody.com
Cc: ocba AT lists.ibiblio.org
Subject: Re: [ocba] A Modest Proposal

Please add my email address to the list as well.


Date: Sun, 26 Feb 2012 07:14:16 -0500
From: nsadler AT mindspring.com
To: klparmley AT gmail.com; marty AT justbeenc.com; lewis AT hivebody.com
CC: ocba AT lists.ibiblio.org
Subject: Re: [ocba] A Modest Proposal

I have had chemical-free bees at Whitted Bowers Farm for several years. I would love to be a part of this group. Please put my email address on the list. I am so glad that this group is forming.  
Natalie Sadler
-----Original Message-----
From: Kitty Cunningham
Sent: Feb 25, 2012 11:08 PM
To: Marty Hanks , Lewis Cauble
Cc: Orange County Bees
Subject: Re: [ocba] A Modest Proposal

Well, that was silly.  I sent an invitation to the Group , but my Yahoo address isn’t a member.
 
If you haven’t already indicated that you are interested, today, shoot me an email and I’ll get you connected.
 
Sent: Saturday, February 25, 2012 10:51 PM
Subject: Re: [ocba] A Modest Proposal
 
Actually, I had killed the group because I was feeling lonely in it all by myself.  I have, however, recreated it so we have a place to plan without cluttering up the OCBA list.
 
Once there is someone involved besides me, I will very happily share administrative tools.
 
Sent: Saturday, February 25, 2012 8:19 PM
Subject: Re: [ocba] A Modest Proposal
 
Thanks Lewis and Hi Everyone,
 
I agree...its been a busy few days on the OCBA for sure. I am very happy to see the response to this offer in less than one day. I know of at least three more people who haven't even chimed in yet.
 
To all that are interested: I would like to invite you over to our mini farm for the first meeting to discuss this further and make a plan about what the groups interests are and frame up a "phase one" plan that we can take to the next OCBA meeting. I have been talking w/ Kitty & Chuck and others about this and she has started a yahoo group to invite others in the extended community. So like Lewis said...lets make it happen.
 
I will call & confirm w/ the the other folks that I was already in talks with prior to this offer and send out a few dates so we all can compare schedules.
 
Sound Good?  --  Let me know if you have any other ideas.
 
Cheers,
Marty Hanks
113 Wolf's Trail
Chapel Hill, NC
27516
 
H-969-4347
C-260-6032

On Sat, Feb 25, 2012 at 7:23 PM, Lewis Cauble <lewis AT hivebody.com> wrote:
Initial response to the chemical free initiative has been very good.  Now it is up to the chemical free folks to organize, develop a plan, and make it happen.
 
Lewis
 
 
On Feb 25, 2012, at 9:59 AM, Lewis Cauble wrote:
 
Hello Beekeepers,
I would like to make a proposal that OCBA set up a chemical free beekeeping group to teach and demonstrate chemical free methods.  I'd like for us to give our chemical free group a grant of $500 to purchase equipment, queens, bring in speakers, or whatever they need for this thing to grow legs.  At the very minimum, I would like for OCBA to have a chemical free demonstration yard managed by the chemical free folks that would be used to teach and demonstrate these methods.
 
The bee yard could be any where that the group chooses.  I went by Whitted Bowers yesterday and spoke with Rob Bowers.  He is willing to host the chemical free bee yard.  I have been keeping bees there alongside Natalie Sadler for several years now so we already have a built in relationship with him.  The downside is that it is in N. Orange and perhaps not very convenient for all.  The up side is that his 52 acre farm is certified organic and certified biodynamic.
 
I've already run this rough idea past the exec committee and it certainly has their approval.  Now I would like for our chemical free folks to organize and decide if this is something that they would like to do.  From there we can work on the details.
 
Cheers,
 
Lewis
 
 
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"Created by Artisans....Bottled by Humans"



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Just Bee, Apiaries
 
 Home of the Orange County Honey Project.
"Created by Artisans....Bottled by Humans"




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Just Bee, Apiaries
 
 Home of the Orange County Honey Project.
"Created by Artisans....Bottled by Humans"




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