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  • From: Elizabeth Hilborn <ehilborn@mebtel.net>
  • To: mailing list at ibiblio - Northamerican Allied Fruit Experimenters <nafex@lists.ibiblio.org>, lhdavis8@knology.net
  • Subject: Re: [nafex] My persimmons appear to be breaking the rules
  • Date: Sun, 29 Mar 2015 10:15:40 -0400

Thanks for shedding light on my persimmon mystery Lester,

I have a Wase fuyu, but not a Hana fuyu. Your hypothesis fits temporally though. The Wase fuyu is in its third year on site and last year was the first for blooms. Before that time, I did not find seeds in my Yates. I will look for male flowers on the Wase fuyu this year.

I have only found 1 seed in a kaki a few years ago (I posted here about it), but was not in a situation to use it. Since then, my kakis have all been seedless or at most produced very small, flat seeds, that do not appear viable.

Contact me early next September off list to remind me about the seeds.

Betsy Hilborn

On 3/28/2015 7:32 PM, Lester Davis wrote:
Does any of your Kakis have seeds also? If so I would think you have a Kaki
that has male blooms as well as female. Hanafuyu throws male blooms almost
every year here in Georgia, there are others Kaki varieties
that will rarely have male blooms. If you have Hanafuyu watch it closely
when blooming to see if it has a male blooms on a limb or two. If so and
you have seeds form in both Kaki and Yates there is a good
possibility they are crossing. I would certainly like some of the Yates
seeds if you have seeds forming in Kaki and Yates under any condition.
Lester H. Davis
Columbus, GA

----- Original Message -----

From: "Elizabeth Hilborn" <ehilborn@mebtel.net>
To: "mailing list at ibiblio - Northamerican Allied Fruit Experimenters"
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Sent: Saturday, March 28, 2015 3:51:18 PM
Subject: [nafex] My persimmons appear to be breaking the rules

Hi folks,

I have a single /D. virginiana/ (90 chromosome selected variety), Yates,
on my property. I have multiple endemic /D. virginiana/ trees that with
their small, astringent fruit, I am assuming are all 60 chromosome
trees.I have multiple /D. kakis/ (all grafted, fruit bearing trees) that
I have planted in my orchard as well.

For the last 2 years, my Yates has produced fruit that contains
abundant, full-sized seeds. My understanding is that the endemic 60
chromosome trees will not pollinate the 90 chromosome varieties and
produce full-sized viable seeds. However, all my kakis are all
presumably ‘females’ as they are grafted, fruit-bearing varieties.
It does not make sense to me given my current understanding of
persimmons that my Yates fruit would all be full of seeds. Are the seeds
somehow /kaki /x /virginiana/ crosses?

I am not aware of any nonnative persimmons among the neighboring
properties within at least 1 mile...

Any thoughts?

Betsy Hilborn
7a central NC







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