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  • From: Nathan Torgerson <nathantorgerson@yahoo.com>
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  • Subject: Re: [NAFEX] Nate--securing seams
  • Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2006 19:32:40 -0700 (PDT)

On the cherry trees (seams were vertical) I put the seams together, rolled them and put twist tie wires through the roll.  On the plum tree, where the seem was sagging below the branch, I rolled the seams together and used wood clothes pins every 6 inches to keep the roll pinched together.
 
Nate

"Harrick, Barbara (N-Kelly Services)" <barbara.harrick@lmco.com> wrote:
Hi Nate--how do you secure the seams against the wind? Duct tape?

Thanks, Barbara

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Today's Topics:

1. Re: Netting and bagging report for apples, plums, and
cherries, and peaches (Nathan Torgerson)
2. Drops, Apricot (mauch1@aol.com)
3. Magnesium source (Harrick, Barbara (N-Kelly Services))


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Message: 1
Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2006 10:25:30 -0700 (PDT)
From: Nathan Torgerson
Subject: Re: [NAFEX] Netting and bagging report for apples, plums,
and
cherries, and peaches
To: North American Fruit Explorers
Message-ID: <20060627172530.51253.qmail@web60721.mail.yahoo.com>
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Looking at my Zestar apple tree this morning I found three apples with
apple scab that were bagged (of a total of about 100). I bagged all of
the apples on the tree, so I don't have any non-bagged ones to compare
the rate of infection between bagged and non-bagged.

Nate

Nathan Torgerson wrote:
It was sour cherry harvest time last weekend, so I can give some
results from the netting and bagging I have done so far this year.

Cherries:
I wrapped two Northstar cherry trees in tulle when I first started to
observe plum curculio damage in the area (should have been earlier, but
I ordered the fabric too late). I tried shaking the trees hoping to
shake off any PCs that might be in the tree. After a few days I noticed
PC damage on one of the trees and no PC damage in the other. In the one
that had damage, the wind has blown the tulle open on one side, and I am
suspecting that allowed the plum curculio to get in.
At harvest I collected 2 lbs of cherries off of each tree (the
trees are only 6 feet tall and young). One tree had PC damage in about
33% of the cherries. The other had damage in only 4 cherries.
My guess is that if I would have netted the trees early enough and
secured the seam to prevent the wind from blowing it open, both trees
would have been PC free.
This works well when the trees are small....I'm not exactly sure what
the best way would be for larger trees. The trees grew about 8 inches at
the branch tips while netted, and the tree didn't really appreciate the
netting keeping the growth confined, but it does look like the tips will
straighten out. Time will tell.

Picture of one of the cherry trees wrapped in tulle:
http://www.nafex.org/uploads/northstar_cherry_wrapped_in_tulle.jpg

Plums:
I netted my Superior plum tree with tulle when PC first appeared. I
tried to shake the branches before wrapping the tree. Since the tree has
a spreading growth pattern, I wrapped 5 larger branches individually in
tulle. I left 3 branches open, covered some of the plums in organza
bags. On my Toka tree, I covered 20 plums that did not have PC damage
yet with organza bags.
After 3 weeks, the plums on the Toka that were not covered in bags
were 100% damaged by PC, many with several "smiles". The organza bagged
fruits were undamaged.
I removed the tulle wrapping from the Superior tree and noticed
80-100% PC damage on 4 of the branches that were netted. One of the
branches, however, had only 10% damage. I came to the conclusion that I
must have trapped plum curculios inside the netting in four of the five,
but the fifth must have been PC free and a success. One of the exposed
plums with an organza bag around it looked to have been peppered with PC
eating attacks, but no egg laying. I think there is a risk that if the
plum is against the organza fabric that certain insects will eat through
the bag.
I took off all of the tulle and wrapped the remaining undamaged plums
in organza bags and nylon "footies" that were twist tied. So far the
orzanza bags and nylon have kept the bugs at bay.

Pictures of tulle wrapped plum tree branch:

http://www.nafex.org/uploads/superior_plum_wrapped_in_tulle_and_organza_
and_nylon_bags.jpg

Zoom of bags on plums:

http://www.nafex.org/uploads/zoom_of_plums_bagged_with_organza_and_nylon
.jpg

Conclusion: I think if I would have bagged the plum tree earlier I
could have saved most of my plum crop. The tulle netting does get heavy
with rain, and I will probably only use it to net off the tree until I
can bag the plums branch by branch.

Peaches:
I netted my peach tree in tulle. I don't know how much pest pressure
to expect, but I didn't see any damage on the peaches. After three
weeks, the tree was outgrowing its netting, so I removed it and bagged
the peaches with nylon.

Apples:
I bagged all of my Zestar apples in clear plastic bags (leaving one
apple per cluster). Two weeks after bagging, the tree was hit with a
serious dose of apple scab. I sprayed the tree with sulfur, and whether
that helped or not, the apple tree lost 10% of its leaves and then
recovered. Upon inspection, none of the apples in the bags were hit
with signs of apple scab.
The tree did have large June drop, going from 228 apples to 119 in a
course of three weeks, which has been typical for this tree.
I bagged 370 Honeycrisp apples (leaving one apple per cluster) and it
only lost 40 to June drop, so I may need to thin this one further to
prevent branch damage.
Once again, the bags have kept the PC and apple maggots away from the
fruit and it looks to be another good apple year.

Nate Torgerson
Andover, MN zone 4

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Message: 2
Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2006 13:41:48 -0400
From: mauch1@aol.com
Subject: [NAFEX] Drops, Apricot
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I know there's been alot of back and forth about drops, regarding apple.
Generally because of the risk of the new E. coli variety (whose
acrynomen I can't remember) I don't use drops. But my apricot has
dropped a significant percentage of fruit, and though some of it is
damaged and ruined, some seems perfect. If I would can the fruit (sugar
syrup, hot water (boiling?) water bath) would it be ok to use them that
way?

Thanks,

Chris Mauchline
SE PA, zone 6
40? 5' N 75? 51'W
~650 ft elevation
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Message: 3
Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2006 11:15:09 -0600
From: "Harrick, Barbara (N-Kelly Services)"
Subject: [NAFEX] Magnesium source
To: nafex@lists.ibiblio.org
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I use Epsom salts when I start seeing magnesium deficiency on my
mandarin orange. I have also read that Epsom salts help with fruit set
as well.

Barbara

Barbara Harrick
Publications Technical Editor
International Launch Services
1660 International Drive, Suite 700
McLean, VA 22102 USA
Phone - 571-633-7494
Fax - 571-633-7541

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Today's Topics:

1. Reply: Netting and bagging report for apples, plums, and
cherries, and peaches (sherwindu)
2. Jim's Red Beads for Birds (Jim Fruth)
3. Jim's Red Beads for Birds (Jim Fruth)
4. Re: Leaves curling and folding (Dennis Norton)
5. Leaves curling and folding (Jim Fruth)
6. sources potassium or magnesium? (Thomas Olenio)
7. Re: Leaves curling and folding (David Doud)
8. amelanchier drainage (M Stanton)


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Message: 1
Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2006 01:13:35 -0500
From: sherwindu
Subject: [NAFEX] Reply: Netting and bagging report for apples, plums,
and cherries, and peaches
To: nafex@lists.ibiblio.org
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I have good success with 'no-see-um' insect netting. A cheaper,
quicker, but
not as
good protector would be zip lock sandwich bags with a slot cut out to
drain
water.
I have a combination of both on my apple and selected clusters of the
sour
cherry.
Works good for me. Cut a square of the netting and thread a thin wire
around
the
perifery. Cinch it up with a twist tie and attach the free ends to a
conveniently close
branch. If the fruit falls, the net will catch it. Only rarely will a
critter
bite through or
tear the netting.



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Message: 2
Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2006 06:54:35 -0500
From: Jim Fruth
Subject: [NAFEX] Jim's Red Beads for Birds
To:
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Mark,
In my opinion, growing grass is a waste of time and money. I make my
living
off 1.5 acres and the only grass is on the boulevard alongside the road.
But as for wires being picked up by the wheels of a lawnmower, I cannot
imagine how that could happen.
--

Jim Fruth
Brambleberry Farm
Pequot Lakes, MN
www.bberryfarm.com
Jams, Jellies and Syrups
(218)568-8483 [Store]
(218)831-7018 [My cell]

Jim,

I read about you tricking the birds in Pomona and got a chuckle. It's a
clever idea. But how do you keep from picking up the loose "berry"
wires in
lawnmower tires?

Mark Angermayer
Zone 5 Kansas



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Message: 3
Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2006 06:59:51 -0500
From: Jim Fruth
Subject: [NAFEX] Jim's Red Beads for Birds
To:
Message-ID:
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Tom,
Birds are not dummies. If you want to fool the birds, whatever you
hang
in the trees had better do a good job of mimicking the real thing. If
whatever you use will fool a human, you can expect it will work on the
birds.
--

Jim Fruth
Brambleberry Farm
Pequot Lakes, MN
www.bberryfarm.com
Jams, Jellies and Syrups
(218)568-8483 [Store]
(218)831-7018 [My cell]

Hello,

What about those strung, red beads that go on Christmas trees?

Cripes, even a strand of silver or gold strung beads could be spray
painted red.

Would be easier to put on and take off. Would they work though?

Tom




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Message: 4
Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2006 07:09:48 -0500
From: "Dennis Norton"
Subject: Re: [NAFEX] Leaves curling and folding
To: "North American Fruit Explorers"
Message-ID: <001701c699e2$98dce5b0$6401a8c0@DellXPS400>
Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
reply-type=original

Sounds like you masy have fire blight. After hail storm damage,
streptomycin should be sprayed immediately to reduce infection in the
hail-induced wounds. Uptake of streptomycin is improved if applied
during
the evening. Streptomycin should not be applied within 50 days of
harvest
for apples or within 30 days of harvest for pears.
Fireblight is a serious disease of apples, crabapples and pears.
Blossoms,
blossom spurs, and branch tips are infected, turning brown and dying
rapidly. The tips of branches often curl to form what resembles a
shepherd's
crook, or the curved end of a walking cane. The dead leaves remain brown
to
almost black and may remain on the branch all winter. The disease is
caused
by a bacterium that lives in the conducting or vascular tissues of the
plant. The bacterium progresses down the diseased shoots and spurs, and
sometimes reaches a larger branch where a dark or discolored area is
formed.
This discolored area is called a canker. The bacterium lives over the
winter
in young cankers with smooth, indefinite margins. In the spring,
bacteria
ooze from the canker, forming a sticky, thick liquid that insects feed
on.
These insects transmit the bacteria to blossoms, where new infections
start.
Later, the disease may spread from infected blossoms and old cankers to
the
shoots. Rain, wind, and hail help spread the disease.

Successful fireblight control requires a combination of actions. For the

first step, overwintering cankers should be pruned away by cutting at
least
six to ten inches below the edge of the canker. Smaller diseased
branches
should be pruned about ten inches below the edge of the diseased area.
Pruning is best done in late fall after leaf drop, when the diseased
shoots
can be readily seen since they retain their leaves. Or, pruning can be
done
in late February to early March. Pruning tools should be sterilized
between
each cut, Lysol diluted 3/4 cup per gallon of water, or household bleach

diluted 1 cups in each gallon of water. Household bleach works very
well,
but corrodes tools, which must be carefully washed and oiled after use
to
prevent rusting. For the second step, apples or pears can be sprayed
with
streptomycin at blossom time. Use streptomycin at 50-100 parts per
million
every 3-5 days during blossoming. It can also be used every 14 days
after
blossoming, but streptomycin is not as effective for control of shoot
blight
as it is for control of blossom blight.

Fireblight is most severe on succulent shoots. Avoid overfertilizing
trees,
and do not fertilize in late spring or early summer. Hope this helps.

Dennis Norton
Royal Oak Farm Orchard
http://www.royaloakfarmorchard.com
http://www.theorchardkeeper.blogspot.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "sherwindu"
To:
Sent: Monday, June 26, 2006 9:26 PM
Subject: [NAFEX] Leaves curling and folding


>I just took a bunch of sample leaves up to my nearby Chicago Botanical
>Garden
> plant information people and they had no solid answers as to what was
> causing
> the leaves on my fruit trees (mostly apple) to curl up. There was no
sign
> of
> mites, and
> it's past their season any ways. Some leaves at the tips of new
growth
> shrivel
> down
> towards the underside of the leaf. This is seen more on the young
trees,
> in
> pots. I
> try to keep them from drying out, but maybe they are getting too much
> water.
> Other
> trees in the ground have a tendency to fold up. I try to maintain an
even
> watering on
> these trees, but it could be a case of too much or too little
watering.
> There
> is no sign
> of insects or fungus. We have sprayed three times this year, the last

> being
> about 3 weeks ago. The fruit looks fine, and the leaves look good
except
> for
> some hail damage from a few weeks ago. There can be two separate
problems
> here,
> but so far, I don't think the trees are in any great danger. The
plant
> information guy told me
> to stick a pencil in the nearby soil and if it comes up dry, add
water,
> otherwise leave
> it alone. Any thoughts on this?
>
>
>
>
>



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Message: 5
Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2006 07:12:23 -0500
From: Jim Fruth
Subject: [NAFEX] Leaves curling and folding
To:
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Sherwindu,
When leaves curl up, you can be pretty sure that potassium or
magnesium
(or both) has become unavailable to the tree or has leached out of the
soil.
You said that you think they may be getting too much water and you are
probably right. If a potassium deficiency becomes severe, the margins
of
older leaves will dry out as the tree transports this mobile element to
younger, growing leaves. If it is a severe magnesium deficiency, older
leaves will start dropping off the tree.
--

Jim Fruth
Brambleberry Farm
Pequot Lakes, MN
www.bberryfarm.com
Jams, Jellies and Syrups
(218)568-8483 [Store]
(218)831-7018 [My cell]


I just took a bunch of sample leaves up to my nearby Chicago Botanical
Garden
plant information people and they had no solid answers as to what was
causing
the leaves on my fruit trees (mostly apple) to curl up. There was no
sign
of
mites, and
it's past their season any ways. Some leaves at the tips of new growth
shrivel
down
towards the underside of the leaf. This is seen more on the young
trees, in
pots. I
try to keep them from drying out, but maybe they are getting too much

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