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  • From: "Thor Burfine" <thor@cpcinc.net>
  • To: "'Mounted search and rescue'" <msar-riders@lists.ibiblio.org>
  • Subject: Re: [MSAR] MSAR-Riders Digest, Vol 49, Issue 3
  • Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2007 09:50:38 -0600

What I found that also works well is hang a few flags of different materials
e.g. cotton, plastic, nylon
from a tree and tie the horse to the tree, let the flags hang down so they
touch the horse.

Then just start working your way into mounting with the flag

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Thor Burfine
Texas Equusearch
Equine Team Leader
ATV Team Leader
Deep Water Recovery Diver
www.texasequusearch.org




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When starting a horse for flags, I first tie a flag on the horse correctly
inserted into the flag carrier and tie it on the horse. I let the horse
stand for 30 minutes or so to see if there is a diverse reaction, Then I
start by walking the horse with flag still attached. Do this in a lot of
different wind positions. The next day I start the same way and work all the
way to mounting. I never had a [problem. Dick - Alabama

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Today's Topics:

1. Flag training needed (The Stevie's)
2. Re: Flag training needed (Una Smith)


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Message: 1
Date: Sun, 4 Mar 2007 13:41:00 -0700
From: "The Stevie's" <rideforhim@fiberpipe.net>
Subject: [MSAR] Flag training needed
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We are in a womens drill team here in Sheridan, Wy. I enjoyed reading your
article about MSRA flag training.
What length/ diameter of dowel and size flag do you recommend for an event-
we are committed to do our first exibition in the 1st week of August 07, and
we have worked with smaller flags and would like to start working with the
flags we are going to use for the program . Thanks for all your help. Leslie
Martin
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Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2007 09:14:07 -0700
From: Una Smith <una.smith@att.net>
Subject: Re: [MSAR] Flag training needed
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Leslie Martin wrote:
>We are in a womens drill team here in Sheridan, Wy. I enjoyed reading
>your article about MSRA flag training.

For other readers here, some background. We discussed flag training in the
2006 Q2 archive, with a few remarks also in Q3:
https://lists.ibiblio.org/sympa/arc/msar-riders/2006q2/thread.html#3070
https://lists.ibiblio.org/sympa/arc/msar-riders/2006q3/thread.html#3276


>What length/ diameter of dowel and size flag do you recommend

I would start by choosing the flag. Do you want the biggest you can manage?
Or a specific flag that only comes in certain sizes? How much money do you
want to spend? Etc. Will you want to "dip" the flags as part of your
routine? In that case, they should not be so large that they touch the
ground.

Maximum flag size also is dictated by your local weather conditions.
I attended an August rodeo in Sheridan some years ago and as I recall the
weather was fairly mild. But here in New Mexico, due to the mountain
topology, we sometimes get wind storms at sunset. Do the Bighorn Mountains
west of Sheridan sometimes produce similar rough wind storms? Strong wind
can be a challenge for flag carriers on horseback. The drag on a large flag
is substantial! Not only does the rider need a secure seat, but the horse
needs to be trained and physically able to deal with the sensation of being
pushed over.
That's an issue of balance. My polo pony mare, used to galloping while her
rider hangs off her side, was cool with it so I often carried our largest
flag. It was about 4x6 feet and a double layer of polyester satin. In a
hard gusty wind that flag became quite difficult to handle, even when
gathered in hand against the pole.

Most flags I have carried were mounted on 1/2 or 3/4 inch diameter metal
pipes. Pipes don't splinter, split, or warp, and metal is stiffer than PVC.
It is easy to install mounting hardware for the flag, usually via two holes
drilled through the pipe. You need a gauge of pipe that won't buckle when
your largest flag snaps in a stiff wind. You might get some good advice
about choice of pipe from whoever sells you the flag.

You want the flag pole long enough that, when you are in the saddle and the
pipe base is mounted on your stirrup, in a strong wind the bottom of the
flag passes high enough over your head (and hat) that it does not mess up
your hair, knock off your hat, knock off your glasses, slap your face, etc.

By the way, for basic training I used a 12x12 foot plastic tarp.
First folded across the saddle, later opened more and more, as my mare would
tolerate it. In a stiff wind, the tarp produced enough drag at saddle
height to be a good simulation of a large flag in stiff wind held overhead.
Erratic drag, noise, visual stimulation, the sensation of material draping
on the horse's head, side, and flanks, the sight and sound of other horses
excited by the flapping tarp "monster": all are points you may need to
"despook" for your horse.

Hope this helps,

Una Smith
New Mexico


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