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  • From: "Beth Spaugh" <lists AT rhomestead.com>
  • To: "'Market Farming'" <market-farming AT lists.ibiblio.org>
  • Subject: Re: [Market-farming] Market-farming Digest, Vol 113, Issue 22
  • Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2012 14:03:29 -0400

I think it's damned if you do, damned if you don't. I'd take them out to
make harvest easier, to reduce chances of fungi, etc. The suckers below the
first cluster are frequently attached to the plant differently - not well.
They pop right off with almost a pre-healed wound. Sorry I'm not describing
it well - just came inside for a bandaid and quick drink and found half a
watermelon on the counter.

Beth Spaugh
Rehoboth Homestead, Peru NY
http://rhomestead.com http://www.facebook.com/rhomestead


"How we eat determines, to a considerable extent, how the world is used." -
Wendell Berry

"Without power over our food, any notion of democracy is empty." - Frances
Moore Lappe



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[mailto:market-farming-bounces AT lists.ibiblio.org] On Behalf Of kathleen
timperley
Sent: Monday, June 18, 2012 10:06 AM
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Subject: Re: [Market-farming] Market-farming Digest, Vol 113, Issue 22

I have nondeterminates that should have been suckered and. Now the
rows in my tunnel are hard to walk thru. Does the same rule apply...
That pruning anything larger than pencil size will set them back? I
know this seems to be true for determinates.

Kathy in northeast NE

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> 1. Tomato suckering, if and how (Richard Moyer)
> 2. Re: market Scale case (Jay Sleichter)
> 3. Re: Tomato suckering, if and how (Tom & Melanie)
> 4. Re: Tomato suckering, if and how (Etienne Goyer)
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> Date: Sun, 17 Jun 2012 13:44:34 -0400
> From: Richard Moyer <ramoyer AT gmail.com>
> Subject: [Market-farming] Tomato suckering, if and how
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> We've never suckered tomato plants before. But we have about 800 out this
> year, 100 in High Tunnel and 700 in field. 2 feet apart in row, 3-4 feet
> between rows. We grow early blight resistant varieties, and tend not to
> spray, only 1-2x per year if blight is getting bad.
>
> We trellis with Florida weave, stake and string.
>
> Should we make the time to remove all foliage and suckers below the first
> flower clusters? (We do have the labor.)
> Different method for cherry toms, or between determinants and
> indeterminants? Sucker some of those over others?
>
> Thanks,
> Richard Moyer
> SW VA In need of rain, late seeds just sitting in ground waiting.
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> From: Jay Sleichter <jaysleichter AT yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [Market-farming] market Scale case
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> I wish it was free in Kansas, but we are required by the state to have our
scales certified annually.? This is the funny part, the state requires it,
but doesn't test scales.? They are tested by private companies/persons who
are approved by the state.? It costs $40-50 per scales, per year.? We have
two scales.?? We had one, then we started doing two markets on Saturday so
we needed a second one.? Now I run two scales at my Wednesday market too.
>
> I have never seen or heard of anyone getting in trouble for having
untested scales, but I am sure it has happened somewhere. ?
>
> As far as a case, I pack it in a rubbermade tub. I put two folded table
cloths below it and two about it.? It is safe and protected.?
>
> Jay
>
> Jay's Jellies, Produce and More
> Clay Center, Kansas
> www.jaysjellies.com
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> From: Richard Stewart <rstewart AT zoomtown.com>
> To: Market Farming <market-farming AT lists.ibiblio.org>
> Sent: Sunday, June 17, 2012 10:20 AM
> Subject: Re: [Market-farming] market Scale case
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>
> I'd like to add to something to what Deb said...
>
> We have the Hamilton County, Ohio inspector come out at the second or
third summer market that a lot of us go to. ?It doesn't cost anything.
?They'll even check your non-market scale for accuracy if you bring them (we
bring a couple simple mechanical scales with us that we use in the grain and
honey house to have them checked.
>
> Our digital scale was labeled and approved but it was WAY off. ?In the
favor of the customer. ?At market we were losing about a .02 per pound. ?We
use the same scale to weigh our wholesale customers as well so we were
losing a fair amount of money. ?We dropped the scale over winter time and I
think this is the result. ?Now I have to take the time to get it fixed and
zeroed. ?Not a simple task with my schedule and the lack of qualified scale
companies (we have two in the Cincinnati area).
>
> My goal is to get two inspected scales one prepping for market and the
other for market. ?The market one is going to be smaller and have a case for
certain.
>
> The pint of my post though is the scale is not just to protect the
customer (though that is why the inspectors stamp it) it is also a tool to
make sure you are making every bit o money from your effort. ?If you are
losing $.02 per pound that adds up quickly.
>
> Richard Stewart
> Carriage House Farm
> North Bend, Ohio
>
> An Ohio Century Farm Est. 1855
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> From: "Tom & Melanie" <limerock AT thirdplanet.net>
> Subject: Re: [Market-farming] Tomato suckering, if and how
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> I/we sucker all of ours, but they all are indeterminates and trellised. I
have suckered determinates before and wondered if I should have. It has
been sooo long that I do not remember what production was like when left
alone. I always second guess my course of action when other growers start
harvesting their first set of toms from the lower limbs and I am waiting on
the upper growth.
>
> All that being said, you only remove the fruiting trusses (the ones in the
crotch) below that first flower cluster, leaving the lower flatter
non-bearing leaf, not ?all foliage.? (At least that is what I was taught.)
>
> Sometimes, I will leave the last truss below the flower on one plant and
remove it from the next plant, alternating all down the row. Sometimes I
leave two below the flower.
>
> Was also told not to remove any growth pencil-size or larger as it really
sets the plant back.
>
> Tom
> Near Lake Erie
> (where the drought has just ended with over 2.25? TODAY
>
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> From: Richard Moyer
> Sent: Sunday, June 17, 2012 1:44 PM
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> Subject: [Market-farming] Tomato suckering, if and how
>
> We've never suckered tomato plants before. But we have about 800 out this
year, 100 in High Tunnel and 700 in field. 2 feet apart in row, 3-4 feet
between rows. We grow early blight resistant varieties, and tend not to
spray, only 1-2x per year if blight is getting bad.
>
> We trellis with Florida weave, stake and string.
>
> Should we make the time to remove all foliage and suckers below the first
flower clusters? (We do have the labor.)
> Different method for cherry toms, or between determinants and
indeterminants? Sucker some of those over others?
>
> Thanks,
> Richard Moyer
> SW VA In need of rain, late seeds just sitting in ground waiting.
>
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> From: Etienne Goyer <etienne AT lejardinduvillage.ca>
> Subject: Re: [Market-farming] Tomato suckering, if and how
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> I don't have much experience, so take the following with a grain of
> salt. In 2010, I interned on two different farms. One was doing
> unpruned Florida basket weave both in field and tunnel, and the second
> was doing proper string trellising and suckering in tunnel only. The
> difference was staggering. The basket-weaved tomato on the first farm
> where a tangled mess. The plants would eventually droop and harvesting
> was difficult. On the second farm, harvesting was a lot easier and
> quicker, and the yield was like 4-to-1.
>
> As I said, I cannot claim to be an expert. However, that experience
> really imprinted on me. If you invest in a tunnel and in growing tomato
> transplants, you may as well maximize the return on your investment by
> doing proper trellising and suckering. The time you invest in doing it
> right will be recovered at harvest both in efficiency and yield.
>
> Obviously, the above only apply to indeterminate. For determinate, he
> would remove suckers (but otherwise leave foliage) to the first cluster.
>
>
> On 12-06-17 01:44 PM, Richard Moyer wrote:
>> We've never suckered tomato plants before. But we have about 800 out
>> this year, 100 in High Tunnel and 700 in field. 2 feet apart in row,
>> 3-4 feet between rows. We grow early blight resistant varieties, and
>> tend not to spray, only 1-2x per year if blight is getting bad.
>>
>> We trellis with Florida weave, stake and string.
>>
>> Should we make the time to remove all foliage and suckers below the
>> first flower clusters? (We do have the labor.)
>> Different method for cherry toms, or between determinants and
>> indeterminants? Sucker some of those over others?
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Richard Moyer
>> SW VA In need of rain, late seeds just sitting in ground waiting.
>>
>>
>>
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> Date: Sun, 17 Jun 2012 18:56:17 -0700
> From: <sunnfarm AT netscape.com>
> Subject: Re: [Market-farming] Tomato suckering, if and how
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> Date: Sun, 17 Jun 2012 22:40:38 -0400
> From: Todd Lister <toddlister1 AT gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [Market-farming] Tomato suckering, if and how
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> I'm with Bob,
> I've got about 200 this season, on strings in hoop houses and cages and
> string trellises outside. I always sucker and in fact I take most suckers
> up 2-3 feet. I don't like toms on the ground. I'm getting about 150-170
lbs
> a week and very many of them are 1 1/2 to 2 lbs each. It's a beautiful
site
> at market and my customers can't get enough at $4 lb. I'm selling them to
> 4 restaurants at the same price. I'm growing Cherokee Purple and Rose
> heirlooms for five years now. It's a lot harder than hybrids. Each one has
> to go from plant to bubble plastic lined boxes with space between them.
> It's like handling light bulbs only a lot more delicate. One little kiss
> and these things bruise and start to deteriorate.
> Unfortunately I am starting to see tom leaf mold and I'm freaking as I cut
> away lot's of leaf mass up to 4'+. Can't find an organic solution so we'll
> see how long the plants make it. I now fear sun scald on some of the more
> exposed fruit. It's quite a sight. 9'+ plants with few leaves and lots of
> big fruit still hanging on approaching the finish line. Anybody got any
> ideas for knocking this problem out? Any help greatly appreciated.
> I started the inside plants the first week of Jan. and put them in the
> ground the second week of Feb.
> It's already been a great run and I always take my lumps as they come but
> haven't seen this leaf old before. There doesn't seem to be a practical
> solution at hand. I guess it's cultural planning for the future. I believe
> it is the result of high humidity, maybe too much watering in the early
> days.
> Todd Lister
> Veribest Farm
> Vesta Ga
>
> On Sun, Jun 17, 2012 at 9:56 PM, <sunnfarm AT netscape.com> wrote:
>
>> I always sucker my determinant tomatoes. The degree of suckering depends
>> on your soil and the variety. If your soil produces big lush growth then
>> sucker to the first flower cluster. I prefer to leave one sucker below
the
>> cluster. Suckering increases the percent of extra large fruit. I can
sucker
>> about 4 plants a minute. Its time and labor well spent... Bob.
>> Sunny Meadow Farm
>> Bridgeton, NJ
>>
>> --- ramoyer AT gmail.com wrote:
>>
>> From: Richard Moyer <ramoyer AT gmail.com>
>> To: market-farming AT lists.ibiblio.org
>> Subject: [Market-farming] Tomato suckering, if and how
>> Date: Sun, 17 Jun 2012 13:44:34 -0400
>>
>> We've never suckered tomato plants before. But we have about 800 out
this
>> year, 100 in High Tunnel and 700 in field. 2 feet apart in row, 3-4
feet
>> between rows. We grow early blight resistant varieties, and tend not to
>> spray, only 1-2x per year if blight is getting bad.
>>
>> We trellis with Florida weave, stake and string.
>>
>> Should we make the time to remove all foliage and suckers below the first
>> flower clusters? (We do have the labor.)
>> Different method for cherry toms, or between determinants and
>> indeterminants? Sucker some of those over others?
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Richard Moyer
>> SW VA In need of rain, late seeds just sitting in ground waiting.
>>
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