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  • From: Andy Fellenz <fellenz AT fltg.net>
  • To: Market Farming <market-farming AT lists.ibiblio.org>
  • Subject: Re: [Market-farming] Squash bug control -- organic livestock
  • Date: Sat, 31 Oct 2009 18:55:50 -0400

The rule refers to crops being grown, not birds being free ranged. You cannot sell crops harvested from ground that you free ranged your birds on, if the birds were on the ground within 90-120 days of harvest.
Andy

sals3 wrote:
who told you you can't range feed birds on your land and be organic that's not a rule. and you can use the animals just don't sell them as organic sell them to the folks that like antibiotics in the meat.
----- Original Message -----
*From:* Road's End Farm <mailto:organic87 AT frontiernet.net>
*To:* Market Farming <mailto:market-farming AT lists.ibiblio.org>
*Sent:* Saturday, October 31, 2009 2:04 PM
*Subject:* Re: [Market-farming] Squash bug control -- organic
livestock


On Oct 31, 2009, at 1:38 PM, Wiener, Benjamin L CPT NG NG FORSCOM
wrote:

One of the reasons I will never be certified organic is the
sheer stupidity of some of the rules. If guinea fowl cannot be
used because of the tiny ammount of droppings they would
leave, then what do organic growers do to exclude wild birds
that already deposit droppings in the field? There is a huge
difference in quantity between applying manure for fertility
and using a natural method of bug control. You can't even use
manure from animals that recieve adequate veterinary care.
What a bunch of BS (pun intended).


I agree that some of the rules don't make lots of sense
(especially some of the ones imposed by the federal rule). But you
not only can "use manure from animals that receive adequate
veterinary care", organic livestock raisers are *required* to
provide adequate veterinary care. (Reference: USDA organic
standards section 205.238.)

On the rare occasions when permitted methods (and there are quite
a few of them, including a number ordinarily administered by
veterinarians) are insufficient, the producer is required to treat
the sick animal even if it will therefore lose its organic status;
but most livestock never need such treatment, as they can be kept
in good health without it.

I also don't think that manure has to be from animals meeting
certification standards, though I think some certifiers want
manure from some sources to be checked for toxins; but I haven't
had to check this recently as I don't use raw manures.

-- Rivka; Finger Lakes NY, Zone 5 mostly
Fresh-market organic produce, small scale

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