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  • From: Mia Garlick <mia AT creativecommons.org>
  • To: Discussion on the Creative Commons license drafts <cc-licenses AT lists.ibiblio.org>
  • Subject: Re: [cc-licenses] ShareAlike and version compatibility
  • Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 21:18:53 -0700

the promise/ agreement to retain copyright notices, warranty disclaimers, license notification, attribution as well as compliance with the other terms of the license in reliance on & exchange for the licensor's promise to make the grant of rights under the terms of the license.

On Apr 13, 2006, at 2:58 PM, drew Roberts wrote:

On Thursday 13 April 2006 05:49 pm, Mia Garlick wrote:
just to answer the question as to what CC thinks - whether it's
licenses are only a license, not a contract; in my view, the CC
licenses are contracts.

OK, so in the US, what does CC say the consideration is on the part of the
person making use of the license?

rgds, mia
cc gc

all the best,

drew

On Apr 13, 2006, at 1:11 PM, drew Roberts wrote:
On Thursday 13 April 2006 09:08 am, Peter Brink wrote:
drew Roberts skrev:
Let's assume for a second that it would be a contract in Europe, are
consideration and "a meeting of the minds" necessary conditions for
contracts there? If so, what would be the consideration?

The concept of "consideration" is a common law legal concept. In
fact,
when we enter the field of legal theory you will find that the
differences between civil law jurisdictions and common law
jurisdictions
become more pronounced. One of the "features" of the civil law
tradition
is its heavy reliance on legal theory (as compared to common law
that is
formed by case law). Civil law is, in fact, pretty much equal to
legal
science. Preciseness and predictability is its prime objectives.

Needless to say there are copious amounts of works devoted to the
law of
contracts, so the following is a very brief overview. It is also
based
on Swedish law, which differs from continental law in this particular
field. Sweden does not have a large civil code book, as does Germany,
France, and Italy etc. A large part of Swedish contract law is still
non-codified, the gaps being filled by the use of analogies from
written
law.

That being said the basis of contract law in Europe (as in most
parts of
the world) is the offer of and the acceptance of obligations. Party A
offers something to B under certain conditions, B accepts and in
doing
so becomes obligated to perform what A requested. The classic example
being a purchase; A offers to sell something to B for a given
amount of
money, B accepts and becomes obligated to pay A the sum that was
agreed
upon. A is in turn obligated to perform his part, the delivery of the
sold goods. So a contract is an exchange of obligations.

However not all exchanges of obligations are contracts. There are
some
basic requirements. The exchange must be voluntarily and the offer
and
the acceptance must be in accord. To put it in another way: both
parties
must intend to be obligated, and the expressions of this intent
must be
in accord.

If only one party intends to bound by an obligation and unilaterally
expresses this intention we don’t have a contract properly. What
we have
is a gift. Gifts are unilateral legal acts which only binds the
benefactor.

If the expressions of intent are in discord we normally still have a
valid contract but we might have problems when we try to determine
what
has been agreed upon.

It's perfectly possible to have contract, written by one of the
parties,
where the terms of the contract can only be accepted or refused by
the
other party. Such contracts are called adhesion contracts. In this
case
the expression of intent is usually the contract itself.

So to answer your question. No – a consideration is not necessary. A
"meeting of minds" is however.

And how could a meeting of the
minds be imputed with respect to a person from a jurisdiction
with the
concept of a license who thought they were issueing a license and
not
entering into a contract?

That would depend upon international private law. More precisely -
the
rules regarding the choice of laws and these rules are not easy to
understand and are thus largely the domain of legal professionals. In
Europe we have reasonably robust rules that would make it possible to
predict what laws would apply to a contract such as CCPL. If one
of the
parties lives in the US the matter becomes more uncertain...

Is this whole jurisdictional adaptation and the cross
jurisdiction clause
really a big legal minefield? (I hope I am being clear as to my
concern
here.)

Well, that depends on where you live and where the other party
lives...
It also depends on how you intend to use a CCPL:ed work. If you only
want to make large amounts of copies of a work or redistribute the
work
then there should be no problems. If, however, there is a dispute
over
the meaning of the term "commercial" then it might be a real problem.

Thanks for your answers. Actually, in that last question, I was
thinking more
from the point of view of a person creating a work and licensing it
under
say, CC BY-SA where the person lives in the US or somewhere else the a
license can exist (I still have not had an answer as to whether CC
considers
the licenses to be licenses or contracts and I don't remember if
the license
itself says so but I do remember reading that the GPL guys think of
the GPL
as a license and not a contract. Whew!) and thus their intent is
not to enter
into a contract under any conditions WRT the licensing of their
work. So,
could such a person find themselves bound to a contract they never
contemplated entering as a result of how these optional jurisdictional
clauses work? (Again, I hope it is clear what I am asking.)

/Peter Brink

all the best,

drew
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