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  • From: Rolf Furuli <furuli AT online.no>
  • To: b-hebrew AT lists.ibiblio.org
  • Subject: Re: [b-hebrew] The use of the Yiqtol in Isaiah 1:21
  • Date: Tue, 21 Apr 2009 21:32:10 +0200


Dear Yizhak,

The onus of definition is on the one who uses a particular term. I have never used the terms "general action" and "specific action," but you have used them, so they should mean something to you. I do not find the terms in David Crystal's "Dictionary of Linguistics and Phonetics," so I challenge you to show that the terms are meaningful linguistic terms.

The use of the verb forms in Hebrew clauses can be analyzed in different ways. We can look at their position in main clauses and subordinate clauses, as foreground and background information, as occurring in telic, dynamic, and static clauses, as occurring with singular and plural objects, with definite and indefinite objects and so forth. But all this is pragmatics, it is dependent on the context.

But the issue we now are discussing is semantics, that is, has the verb forms particular intrinsic meanings that never can be cancelled? To use your terms: Do the YIQTOL *always* express "a general action" (and you have to define the term)? If you do not define the term you use and show that this is always a characteristic of the YIQTOL, your arguments in your previous post are nonsensical.


Best regards,

Rolf Furuli
University of Oslo




>>On Tue, Apr 21, 2009 at 1:08 PM, Rolf Furuli wrote:

For example, do not the YIQTOLs and WEYIQTOLs with
past reference in Nehemiah 3:14, 15 express
concrete specific actions just as do the QATALs?


On Tue, Apr 21, 2009 at 6:37 PM, Rolf Furuli wrote:

Dear Yitzhak,

What is the definition of "a specific action" and "a general action".
When you give your definition, please show in detail how the
definition can be applied to the verbs in question. I ask, because
I do not understand which difference you are referring to.

Perhaps you can explain your definitions? What makes the
actions specific and what makes the actions expressed
concrete, and what would be an example of a non specific
action or a non-concrete action? The prefix forms here are
parallel to suffix forms in 3:1, 3, 6. But in all cases the form
is consistent: a topic sentence, followed by a copula,
followed by more particular sentences. Also, the prefix
form YBNNW in 3:13 cannot be considered independently
of the Greek which reads here WBNYW.

Yitzhak Sapir

Yitzhak Sapir
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