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  • From: Brak <Brak AT neo.rr.com>
  • To: pporta AT oham.net
  • Cc: b-hebrew <b-hebrew AT lists.ibiblio.org>
  • Subject: Re: [b-hebrew] Explain, please
  • Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2009 17:13:10 -0500

I almost didn't catch this post, in the future be sure to include in the subject the previous name of the thread.

The reference system to which you ask is from WTS for their MORPH database of the LC:
book chapter:verse,word.part

So 1chr 4:10,16 means: 1 Chronicles chapter 4, verse 10, word 16.


B"H
John Steven

"He who makes a mistake is still our friend; he who adds to or shortens a melody is still our friend; but he who violates a rhythm unawares can no longer be our friend."
-Ishaq Ibn Ibrahim 767-850 CE.

"If you don't behave as you believe, you will end by believing as you behave."
-Archbishop Fulton J. Sheen

"The difference between the intelligent man and the simpleton is not the correctness of their decisions, but rather the cunning sinner can more skillfully defend and justify his iniquity."
- Rabbi Tovia Singer


pporta AT oham.net wrote:
Dear Brak,

what does "1Chr 4:10,16" mean? What does "Eze 27:19,3" mean?

Pere Porta
(Barcelona, Catalonia, Spain)

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The <M> in 1Chr 4:10,16 is a prefixed <M> coming from the lemma <MIN>,
why do you think this is a participle?
The same is true for Eze 27:19,3 and Gen 38:24.
So again, why are are you saying they are participles?

You stated:

Another thing I was expecting from your question is to find -M- in the
middle of a word, following another prefix: except for the two that were the
subject of your original question, none of the examples you listed fit. They
were all at the beginning of the words.


If you read the message to which I was responding, the question was
raised about if the occurrence of 2 or 3 prefixed prepositions occurs
in the text or not - regardless of whether its a <M> or not.
So the first section of the read out was all the occurrences of <M> as a
prefix, the second section was 2 or more prefixed prepositions grouped
together, the third section was pronouns as a prefix..

Non of the examples I listed in the 2nd list DOES have a affixed <M> in
the middle:

Gen 038:024,02 <K.:/MI/$:LO74$> --- 2


I guess for completeness, I should run an analysis of all the
occurrences of <M> in the middle.
So be looking for that to be posted soon.


What I would like to heard from the board are those who think the two
words originally given in this thread:

1chr 15:13 - word 2: <L:/MA/B.F/RI)$OWNFH>
2ch 30:3 - word 11: <L:/MA/D.AY

Should be considered as a pronoun, based on the lemma <MFH>, as myself I
feel it would be a preposition based on the lemma <MIN>.


B"H
John

"He who makes a mistake is still our friend; he who adds to or shortens
a melody is still our friend; but he who violates a rhythm unawares can
no longer be our friend."
-Ishaq Ibn Ibrahim 767-850 CE.

"If you don't behave as you believe, you will end by believing as you
behave."
-Archbishop Fulton J. Sheen

"The difference between the intelligent man and the simpleton is not the
correctness of their decisions, but rather the cunning sinner can more
skillfully defend and justify his iniquity."
- Rabbi Tovia Singer


K Randolph wrote:
John:

1 Chronicles 4:10 the word MR(H from the root R(H to feed, give pasture,
used as a noun.

Ezekiel 27:19 M)WZL again used as a noun, referring to that which is made to
go out.

Genesis 38:24 M$L$ here a verb is used in Hebrew where we in English would
use merely a number.

Another thing I was expecting from your question is to find -M- in the
middle of a word, following another prefix: except for the two that were the
subject of your original question, none of the examples you listed fit. They
were all at the beginning of the words.

Karl W. Randolph.

On Thu, Jan 8, 2009 at 9:05 PM, Brak <Brak AT neo.rr.com> wrote:


In the samples I listed in the results, which ones are you saying are
participles?


B"H
John

"He who makes a mistake is still our friend; he who adds to or shortens a
melody is still our friend; but he who violates a rhythm unawares can no
longer be our friend."
-Ishaq Ibn Ibrahim 767-850 CE.

"If you don't behave as you believe, you will end by believing as you
behave."
-Archbishop Fulton J. Sheen

"The difference between the intelligent man and the simpleton is not the
correctness of their decisions, but rather the cunning sinner can more
skillfully defend and justify his iniquity."
- Rabbi Tovia Singer



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