To: "'permaculture'" <permaculture@lists.ibiblio.org>
Subject: Re: [permaculture] distilled water
Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2008 19:41:01 -0600
This is not to support distilled or non-distilled water but to support
Russian and Czech science which is some of the best in the world. It is
often dismissed - especially when it disagrees with mainstream USA science;
a case in point is Russian science regarding the deleterious effects of EMF
on the human and other mammalian organisms.
Just to pile on with the fluoride scam one should look at all the research
done on male sexual dysfunction and the breast and uterine cancer pandemic
that has been attributed to the estrogen analog molecule Chlorine, which, by
law, is injected in every public water utility in the United States and most
other countries. It is also in most plastics (poly vinyl chloride),
agricultural chemicals, and fake automotive fabric.
It may well be that some form of distillation is necessary to remove the
pharmaceuticals that now contaminate most urban water supplies and there is
no FDA regulation or to my knowledge any effective filtration system to
remove it.
Is it any wonder that we are looking at increasing immune system failure??
Scott Pittman
Director
Permaculture Institute
www.permaculture.org
-----Original Message-----
From: permaculture-bounces@lists.ibiblio.org
[mailto:permaculture-bounces@lists.ibiblio.org] On Behalf Of Jody Troupe
Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2008 9:17 AM
To: permaculture
Subject: Re: [permaculture] distilled water
Hello all -
I want to jump back in here, but unfortunately our internet has been
down since yesterday. I'm writing a brief blurb while sitting in a
coffee shop.
First, I wanted to say I am not supporting all distilled water. Our
protocol uses specifically steam-distilled (or sun distilled, I
wouldn't split hairs on that). I don't know how other types of
distillation are done, I just know that we are very specific about the
water used in our methods and it is steam-distilled.
I've read the WHO paper and would need more time to comment. But, one
thing that jumped at me right away as a warning flag was the point (pg
3) that listed adding fluoride as being beneficial to a population
since they found it reduced dental caries.
What they completely did not point out, that is a well-known fact in
scientific & medical circles (particularly those concerned with bone
mass because I worked for a company that made bone densitometers for 8
years. I learned this fact in the 90's) is that communities that have
fluoridated water have MUCH higher bone fracture rates than those that
use any other kind of water. The fluoride in water is a scam, and a
really big one at that. I can't elaborate here, but if anyone starts
digging in alternative health information, you'll find a lot of
negatives to fluoride in the water.
Secondly, in terms of infrastructure, the WHO paper points out that
distilled water could not be carried through pipes due to its more
aggressive nature as it would break down the very system carrying it
to homes. I don't doubt this is true, and is one reason a large
organization like WHO is going to look for reasons why distilled water
would be an inappropriate option for trying to 'have control' over the
water supply. (if you see 'conspiracy' in that, it is meant to be
there.)
The science that I practice does actually work, and uses steam-
distilled water BUT also incorporates taking mineral supplement
(because our foods are so deficient). I cannot say one way or the
other if drinking distilled water by itself would draw minerals out of
the body. I do think the WHO paper is partial and it would be worth
doing your own digging to get to some genuinely independent studies.
(good luck).
I already went around this discussion with my instructor in the past
and I am still convinced distilled water is perfectly fine. Having
worked for a very large company that developed health-related
products AND had a pharmaceutical spin-off, AND their own "3rd party"
review company (that was to 'independently' review the pharmaceutical
studies) I have seen how this stuff works first hand. Since the WHO
was citing their own 1980 paper on conclusions about water, I would
have to dismiss those references outright. WHO is too big and I won't
trust their ultimate allegiance. Then, why they went on to mainly cite
Russian and Czech studies but I wondered why there weren't more US-
based studies.
The argument about getting calcium from the water, or other nutrients
may be a fair comment, but it pisses me off because we should get SO
MUCH MORE nutrition if farming were actually done RIGHT. People should
get the bulk of their nutrition through the phosphated mineral
complexes our foods are supposed to supply to us (because they got it
from the soil!).
I am not against other waters: glacial, fresh, whatever, as long as
they're clean.
Jody
On Sep 25, 2008, at 6:35 AM, sinergyinaction@netscape.net wrote:
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> Hi Bruce
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> thanks for your view on this thread.
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> I am just thinking that distilled water is now being sold (at least
> here in Spain) as one of the solutions (along with reverse osmosis)
> one can buy in the cities in order to have clean potable water.
> Do these distilling devices usually have some equipment within them
> that change the composition of the distilled water in order to make
> it safe? Since otherwise I do not understand how can they have
> permission to market them, especially? after having documents like
> the WHO's, that Steve Read sent earlier, suggesting this kind of
> water not to be safe in the long run.
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> Cheers
> Antonio
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> (BTW I think we briefly met each other during APC8 in 2005 down in
> Melbourne, you were in the organizing committee, weren't you?)
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Bruce Zell <bruce@permaculturenq.com.au>
> To: 'permaculture' <permaculture@lists.ibiblio.org>
> Sent: Thu, 25 Sep 2008 11:42 am
> Subject: Re: [permaculture] distilled water
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> Hello All
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> Distilled water might be OK for a while if you were doing a detox or
> something but in the long run I don't think its worth the risk.
> There are a
> lot of very subtle tasks that water plays in our bodies in its whole
> state
> and it could be very difficult to detect if minerals etc were being
> leached
> and causing problems. We did some fairly extensive research here in
> tropical
> north Queensland Australia some 25 years ago and we are still drinking
> spring water from a mountain side but do plan to put that through a
> filter
> in future. I would go with No 1 below from Toby on this thread
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> 1) one is (Toby's, WHO's) the scientific sort of take, saying
> (according
> to some studies and deduction from nature) that animals and plants
> don't
> usually "drink" distilled water and that distilled water can
> actually drag?
> minerals and other important substances out of? organisms' bodies,
> thus
> depleting them of those vital substances and making them sick in the