I am just thinking that distilled water is now being sold (at least here in
Spain) as one of the solutions (along with reverse osmosis) one can buy in
the cities in order to have clean potable water.
Do these distilling devices usually have some equipment within them that
change the composition of the distilled water in order to make it safe? Since
otherwise I do not understand how can they have permission to market them,
especially? after having documents like the WHO's, that Steve Read sent
earlier, suggesting this kind of water not to be safe in the long run.
Cheers
Antonio
(BTW I think we briefly met each other during APC8 in 2005 down in Melbourne,
you were in the organizing committee, weren't you?)
-----Original Message-----
From: Bruce Zell <bruce@permaculturenq.com.au>
To: 'permaculture' <permaculture@lists.ibiblio.org>
Sent: Thu, 25 Sep 2008 11:42 am
Subject: Re: [permaculture] distilled water
Hello All
Distilled water might be OK for a while if you were doing a detox or
something but in the long run I don't think its worth the risk. There are a
lot of very subtle tasks that water plays in our bodies in its whole state
and it could be very difficult to detect if minerals etc were being leached
and causing problems. We did some fairly extensive research here in tropical
north Queensland Australia some 25 years ago and we are still drinking
spring water from a mountain side but do plan to put that through a filter
in future. I would go with No 1 below from Toby on this thread
1) one is (Toby's, WHO's) the scientific sort of take, saying (according
to some studies and deduction from nature) that animals and plants don't
usually "drink" distilled water and that distilled water can actually drag?
minerals and other important substances out of? organisms' bodies, thus
depleting them of those vital substances and making them sick in the long
rung if consumed regularly
Cheers
Bruce
Zell & Assoc
Permaculture Services North Queensland
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From: permaculture-bounces@lists.ibiblio.org
[mailto:permaculture-bounces@lists.ibiblio.org] On Behalf Of
sinergyinaction@netscape.net
Sent: Thursday, 25 September 2008 6:20 PM
To: permaculture@lists.ibiblio.org
Subject: Re: [permaculture] distilled water
Hi,
interesting discussion here.
So Iit seems to me that? there are a couple of different takes on the topic
1) one is (Toby's, WHO's) the scientific sort of take, saying (according to
some studies and deduction from nature) that animals and plants don't
usually "drink" distilled water and that distilled water can actually drag?
minerals and other important substances out of? organisms' bodies, thus
depleting them of those vital substances and making them sick in the long
rung if consumed regularly
2) On the other hand there seem to be another trend based on people own
experiences, drinking either evaporated water or even distilled water,
declaring of having done that for years and still being alive and kicking,
not depleted at all. Even Jody declares that from a scientific point of view
(I gather):
[Jody's quote] "I have heard many times that drinking distilled water can be
harmful
BUT I come from a different perspective. I actually study body
chemistry (includes body pH, but also measures other factors of the
urine & saliva) and our protocol includes exclusively using distilled
water. It is considered higher energy water in terms of bringing
nutrients into the cell. Other waters aren't necessarily bad, but they
have less ability to transport nutrients that are needed because the
molecules are already carrying minerals (not necessarily the ones that
particular body needs to bring in.)
This protocol has been used for decades extremely successfully and
people on it do not experience hair loss, or degenerative diseases
that are often attributed to distilled water in some other articles
I've read. The articles I've seen have not been based on scientific
findings but are conclusions the author came to based on disparate data."
[end of Jody's quote]
quite a few people drinking distilled water seem to have benefitted from it
without
apparently experiencing mayor health problems, accordingto Jody's
experience, which he declares
having some more solid scientific grounds (I am not a scientst by the way!)
SALS3's experience with distilled/evaporated water seems also relevant to
me.
What I find interesting in his view is when he mentions that he (we)
actually obtain most of
our nutrients from the food we eat, so we should be able to compensate their
deficiency in
water. But according to the WHO's paper, some experiments have shown that
even when animals have
been given approriate food while drinking demineralized water, they have
presented mineral
losses.....
So are these two views contradictory? If not how could they be
reconciliated?
And what about the scientifc position expressed in the WHO paper and the
also scientific stance
expressed by Jody?
Is there something WHO scientists have missed out?
All the best
Antonio
-----Original Message-----
From: Toby Hemenway <toby@patternliteracy.com>
To: permaculture <permaculture@lists.ibiblio.org>
Sent: Thu, 25 Sep 2008 1:52 am
Subject: Re: [permaculture] distilled water
Rain water and ice are full of dissolved minerals, organic compounds,
dust, pollen, debris, etc., etc. (see the Designer's Manual on this).
They are not pure water, and a far. far cry from distilled. About the
only occurrence of distilled water in nature is just as water evaporates
from bodies of water and, occasionally, from plants, although most
evapo-transpired water has solutes in it. Within moments, "distilled"
evaporating water picks up all kinds of stuff from its environment.
Ain't no pure in nature.
I don't like city water either. And I agree that stainless and glass
(and maybe fired clay of the right type) are the best vessels for water.
I lived with rainwater catchment for ten years and loved it. But