On 1/6/07, Peter Kirk wrote:I think I may have been confused here, partly because of the small size of the Hebrew pointing on my screen. I thought the claim was that the sheva under xet or resh was mobile. But I now see that there is also a sheva under zayin and mem, which I had misread as hiriq. So this is supporting the traditional position that the "r" and "m" form a consonant cluster in Hebrew, although they don't in Greek, Latin or English.
On 06/01/2007 19:57, Yitzhak Sapir wrote:
...I think you mean that they would read yɛxiziyɔhu, yirimiyɔhu. Well, the
Compare Ibn Ezra's Tsaxut which states:
And the noted scholar (Hayyuj) said that the Tiberians would read the
mobile schewa if a yod follows, with the vowel of hiriq as in יֶחְזְיָהוּ
(yɛxziyɔhu) יִרְמְיָהוּ (yirmiyɔhu) ...
Greek and Latin version of the latter name, and the English "Jeremiah",
tend to confirm that there should be a vowel between the resh and the mem.
I quoted the source I had. I think it's a misreading of zayin for dalet,
referring to the name יֶחְדְּיָהוּ which has the following in the
parallel Hebrew/
Septuagint at CCAT:
YXDYHW IADIA
YXDYHW IADIAS
... and the schewa which is followed by a bigDoesn't the last part of this imply that the qamats gadol in words like
qamats (ie, qamats) as in בְּרָכָה שְׁמָרִים as a hataf patax
(=barɔkɔ, $amɔrim)
that is, a schewa with a patax, and if after the mobile schewa there is one
of the letters alef,het,het,ayin which are the guttural letters, the schewa is
always as the vowel which follows such as (2 Kings 10:10) דְעוּ אפוא the
dalet is to be read as a shuruq ("du(u") and in the word דְּעִי as if
it is with
a hiriq ("di(i") and in דְּעֶה as if it is with a small patax (ie, segol).
בְּרָכָה שְׁמָרִים (your barɔkɔ, $amɔrim) is closer to a hataf patax than to a
hataf qamats, therefore that it is more of an "a" than an "o" and
different in quality from qamats qatan?
I don't follow. In any case, Ibn Ezra's names of the vowels include
qamats gadol = our qamats
qamats katan = our tsere
patah gadol = our patah
patah katan = our segol
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