Typical Girls: Women in Punk/Post-Punk/Underground Music (Circa 1975-1980s)

["shirley.o'loughlin" <shirley.o'loughlin AT virgin.net>]

Hi Emily,

This song you mention below is definitely not by The Raincoats - we don't
know how it came to be credited to The Raincoats, but it's nothing we
recognise lyrically or otherwise.

The only covers they ever did, apart from "Lola" and "Running Away" have
been the occasional live performance of Dixie Cup's 'Chapel of Love" or
ATV's "Love lies Limp".

All the best,
Shirley 
>>> It starts:
>>> "I want you to want me, I need you to need me, I'd
>>> love you to love me .."
>>> and the chorus starts:
>>> "Didn't I didn't I didn't I see you crying .." etc
>>> I'm a big Raincoats fan and um "acquired" this mp3
>>> ..
>>> and it is soooo familiar, but I can't place the
>>> title
>>> (they call it "I want you to love me").  I'm
>>> starting
>>> to wonder if it is The Raincoats after all.  Any
>>> help
>>> would be appreciated as I want to hunt it out on cd,
>>> thanks.
>>> 
> 



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>    1. RE: Is this tune by The Raincoats?? (Emily Arkin)
>    2. RE: Is this tune by The Raincoats?? (George Romansic)
>    3. RE: Is this tune by The Raincoats?? (peter)
>    4. RE: Is this tune by The Raincoats?? (Emily Arkin)
>    5. RE: Is this tune by The Raincoats?? (peter)
>    6. RE: Is this tune by The Raincoats?? (Daniel Selzer)
>    7. RE: Is this tune by The Raincoats?? (Aileen Brophy)
>    8. RE: Is this tune by The Raincoats?? (Emily Arkin)
> 
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> Message: 1
> Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2005 12:09:32 -0800 (PST)
> From: Emily Arkin <viole_falushe AT yahoo.com>
> Subject: RE: [TypicalGirls] Is this tune by The Raincoats??
> To: mike AT appelstein.com, TypicalGirls AT lists.ibiblio.org
> Message-ID: <20050321200932.76646.qmail AT web41102.mail.yahoo.com>
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> 
> That's right--that movie's funny/ridiculous in that she
> keeps talkin about Bikini Kill and the Gits and the
> Raincoats, but then she's totally into...Letters to Cleo!
> 
> I'm not sure if she called actually called them "The
> Raincoats" or if they were credited that way. But anyway, I
> could see the movie causing some confusion in the P2P
> world, where people get easily confused.
> 
> Emily
> 
> --- Mike Appelstein <mike AT appelstein.com> wrote:
>> It definitely doesn't sound like the kind of the song the
>> Raincoats would
>> cover, even live.  But wait!  Didn't Letters To Cleo
>> appear as "The
>> Raincoats" in the movie _10 Things I Hate About You_?  I
>> remember finding a
>> cover of "Cruel to be Kind" by "The Raincoats" on the
>> original Napster, and
>> it turned out to be the L2C version. So if Letters to
>> Cleo also covered "I
>> Want You To Want Me," there's your possible answer.
>> 
>> Mike
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: peter [mailto:peter_in_melb AT yahoo.com.au]
>> Sent: Sunday, March 20, 2005 4:51 PM
>> To: mike AT appelstein.com
>> Subject: RE: [TypicalGirls] Is this tune by The
>> Raincoats??
>> 
>> ah, thats why i know the tune .. but this is
>> definitely a female singer .. thanks Mike.
>> 
>> --- Mike Appelstein <mike AT appelstein.com> wrote:
>>> Sounds like you're talking about Cheap Trick's "I
>>> Want You to Want Me."  I
>>> doubt the Raincoats ever covered it, although who
>>> knows?
>>> 
>>> -Mike
>>> http://djearlybird.blogspot.com
>>> 
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: typicalgirls-bounces AT lists.ibiblio.org
>>> [mailto:typicalgirls-bounces AT lists.ibiblio.org] On
>>> Behalf Of peter
>>> Sent: Sunday, March 20, 2005 4:37 PM
>>> To: typicalgirls AT lists.ibiblio.org
>>> Subject: [TypicalGirls] Is this tune by The
>>> Raincoats??
>>> 
>>> It starts:
>>> "I want you to want me, I need you to need me, I'd
>>> love you to love me .."
>>> and the chorus starts:
>>> "Didn't I didn't I didn't I see you crying .." etc
>>> I'm a big Raincoats fan and um "acquired" this mp3
>>> ..
>>> and it is soooo familiar, but I can't place the
>>> title
>>> (they call it "I want you to love me").  I'm
>>> starting
>>> to wonder if it is The Raincoats after all.  Any
>>> help
>>> would be appreciated as I want to hunt it out on cd,
>>> thanks.
>>> 
> 
> http://emilyarkin.com * the-operators.com * magpie-store.com
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 2
> Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2005 19:05:46 -0800
> From: "George Romansic" <romansic AT serv.net>
> Subject: RE: [TypicalGirls] Is this tune by The Raincoats??
> To: <TypicalGirls AT lists.ibiblio.org>
> Message-ID: <20050322030548.38D734C00C AT lists.ibiblio.org>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
> 
> Wow, that's some great sleuthing.  I thought that question had to be a joke
> when I first read it.  This is quite a group, free of most of those
> relentless ego-displays I've seen almost everywhere else online, and you all
> deserve a tip of the hat for that.
> 
> This is my first message since joining in the fall, so I'm going to use the
> opportunity to mention two things I didn't respond to the first time around:
> 
> -If memory serves, before their second album the Raincoats either advertised
> for a drummer in NME or else it was reported that they were searching for
> one, which I remember prompted several days of serious consideration on my
> part.  I'd been playing for a year or two, and was sure I'd be a perfect
> fit, never mind that I lived in Seattle.  My failure to follow through
> remains one of my few regrets.
> 
> -About Kelsey's mention of the Neo Boys and Stinky Toys last week:  how
> weird to mention those two bands in the same message.  I've been looking for
> records from both for a while now.  I saw the Neo Boys a bunch of times, but
> didn't save their records because I didn't think they did the band justice!
> (Don't ask about the Gang of Four live soundboard tape I recorded over for
> the same reason). My (soon-to-be) wife Joanie played on the bill with them
> in her band Rally Go and we even put them up in our apartment one time.  I'd
> love to hear that interview.  Also, that Stinky Toys record of Boozy Creed
> was a guilty pleasure of mine for a time but I was such a serious lad that I
> convinced myself it had to go.  Somehow I became convinced they were a
> novelty act, and this was even before the Elli + Jacno thing made me
> question whether they really "meant it, man".
> 
> Now that I've outgrown my existential doofus phase and can just enjoy things
> I'd like to hear all this stuff again!
> 
> Thanks all,
> George Romansic  
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: typicalgirls-bounces AT lists.ibiblio.org
> [mailto:typicalgirls-bounces AT lists.ibiblio.org] On Behalf Of Emily Arkin
> Sent: Monday, March 21, 2005 12:10 PM
> To: mike AT appelstein.com; TypicalGirls AT lists.ibiblio.org
> Subject: RE: [TypicalGirls] Is this tune by The Raincoats??
> 
> That's right--that movie's funny/ridiculous in that she
> keeps talkin about Bikini Kill and the Gits and the
> Raincoats, but then she's totally into...Letters to Cleo!
> 
> I'm not sure if she called actually called them "The
> Raincoats" or if they were credited that way. But anyway, I
> could see the movie causing some confusion in the P2P
> world, where people get easily confused.
> 
> Emily
> 
> --- Mike Appelstein <mike AT appelstein.com> wrote:
>> It definitely doesn't sound like the kind of the song the
>> Raincoats would
>> cover, even live.  But wait!  Didn't Letters To Cleo
>> appear as "The
>> Raincoats" in the movie _10 Things I Hate About You_?  I
>> remember finding a
>> cover of "Cruel to be Kind" by "The Raincoats" on the
>> original Napster, and
>> it turned out to be the L2C version. So if Letters to
>> Cleo also covered "I
>> Want You To Want Me," there's your possible answer.
>> 
>> Mike
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: peter [mailto:peter_in_melb AT yahoo.com.au]
>> Sent: Sunday, March 20, 2005 4:51 PM
>> To: mike AT appelstein.com
>> Subject: RE: [TypicalGirls] Is this tune by The
>> Raincoats??
>> 
>> ah, thats why i know the tune .. but this is
>> definitely a female singer .. thanks Mike.
>> 
>> --- Mike Appelstein <mike AT appelstein.com> wrote:
>>> Sounds like you're talking about Cheap Trick's "I
>>> Want You to Want Me."  I
>>> doubt the Raincoats ever covered it, although who
>>> knows?
>>> 
>>> -Mike
>>> http://djearlybird.blogspot.com
>>> 
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: typicalgirls-bounces AT lists.ibiblio.org
>>> [mailto:typicalgirls-bounces AT lists.ibiblio.org] On
>>> Behalf Of peter
>>> Sent: Sunday, March 20, 2005 4:37 PM
>>> To: typicalgirls AT lists.ibiblio.org
>>> Subject: [TypicalGirls] Is this tune by The
>>> Raincoats??
>>> 
>>> It starts:
>>> "I want you to want me, I need you to need me, I'd
>>> love you to love me .."
>>> and the chorus starts:
>>> "Didn't I didn't I didn't I see you crying .." etc
>>> I'm a big Raincoats fan and um "acquired" this mp3
>>> ..
>>> and it is soooo familiar, but I can't place the
>>> title
>>> (they call it "I want you to love me").  I'm
>>> starting
>>> to wonder if it is The Raincoats after all.  Any
>>> help
>>> would be appreciated as I want to hunt it out on cd,
>>> thanks.
>>> 
> 
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> Message: 3
> Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2005 15:04:45 +1100 (EST)
> From: peter <peter_in_melb AT yahoo.com.au>
> Subject: RE: [TypicalGirls] Is this tune by The Raincoats??
> To: Emily Arkin <viole_falushe AT yahoo.com>,
> TypicalGirls AT lists.ibiblio.org
> Message-ID: <20050322040445.50161.qmail AT web31702.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1
> 
> 
> --- Emily Arkin <viole_falushe AT yahoo.com> wrote:
> 
>> anyway, I
>> could see the movie causing some confusion in the
>> P2P
>> world, where people get easily confused.
>> 
>> Emily
> 
> hrumph!
> 
> ok there were very obvious stylistic differences,
> that's why i was confused lol .. i don't believe
> everything i read ..
> 
> Find local movie times and trailers on Yahoo! Movies.
> http://au.movies.yahoo.com
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 4
> Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2005 21:13:30 -0800 (PST)
> From: Emily Arkin <viole_falushe AT yahoo.com>
> Subject: RE: [TypicalGirls] Is this tune by The Raincoats??
> To: peter <peter_in_melb AT yahoo.com.au>, TypicalGirls AT lists.ibiblio.org
> Message-ID: <20050322051330.21910.qmail AT web41126.mail.yahoo.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
> 
> oh no, I didn't mean you're easily confused...I mean people
> label things wrong and it's confusing! I once ended up with
> a Le Trimm (with rappers Tigra and Bunny) song labelled Le
> Tigre...and you can pretty much see how that mixup coulda
> happened. P2P is like playing telephone.
> e
> 
> --- peter <peter_in_melb AT yahoo.com.au> wrote:
> 
>> 
>> --- Emily Arkin <viole_falushe AT yahoo.com> wrote:
>>> anyway, I
>>> could see the movie causing some confusion in the
>>> P2P
>>> world, where people get easily confused.
>>> 
>>> Emily
>> 
>> hrumph!
>> 
>> ok there were very obvious stylistic differences,
>> that's why i was confused lol .. i don't believe
>> everything i read ..
> 
> http://emilyarkin.com * the-operators.com * magpie-store.com
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 5
> Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2005 18:45:00 +1100 (EST)
> From: peter <peter_in_melb AT yahoo.com.au>
> Subject: RE: [TypicalGirls] Is this tune by The Raincoats??
> To: Emily Arkin <viole_falushe AT yahoo.com>,
> TypicalGirls AT lists.ibiblio.org
> Message-ID: <20050322074500.64048.qmail AT web31705.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1
> 
> 
> I'm glad you cleared that up emily .. i was just about
> to send "the boys" around .. :)
> 
> --- Emily Arkin <viole_falushe AT yahoo.com> wrote:
>> oh no, I didn't mean you're easily confused...I mean
>> people
>> label things wrong and it's confusing! I once ended
>> up with
>> a Le Trimm (with rappers Tigra and Bunny) song
>> labelled Le
>> Tigre...and you can pretty much see how that mixup
>> coulda
>> happened. P2P is like playing telephone.
>> e
> 
> 
> Find local movie times and trailers on Yahoo! Movies.
> http://au.movies.yahoo.com
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 6
> Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2005 01:02:11 -0800 (PST)
> From: Daniel Selzer <danselzer AT yahoo.com>
> Subject: RE: [TypicalGirls] Is this tune by The Raincoats??
> To: George Romansic <romansic AT serv.net>,
> TypicalGirls AT lists.ibiblio.org
> Message-ID: <20050322090211.56171.qmail AT web51806.mail.yahoo.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
> 
> 
> --- George Romansic <romansic AT serv.net> wrote:
>> -About Kelsey's mention of the Neo Boys and Stinky
>> Toys last week:  how
>> weird to mention those two bands in the same
>> message.  I've been looking for
>> records from both for a while now.  I saw the Neo
>> Boys a bunch of times, but
>> didn't save their records because I didn't think
>> they did the band justice!
> 
> somebody I met on the "internet" was supposed to tape
> me the Neo Boys record but never followed through(not
> like I've never done such a thing). But I'm dying over
> here! The few tracks on the History of Portland Punk
> Vol 1 CD, which you can still get on CDr at:
> 
> http://www.zenorecords.com/shop/store3.htm
> 
> are just amazing! Anyone have this record that can put
> it on CD for trade?
> 
> btw, just came back from the first Nightingales show
> in NYC. Somebody told me Miranda Stanton from Thick
> Pigeon was in the audience, of all people. The
> Nightingales were good fun, as were the opening bands,
> the Victoria Lucas and the Oxford Collapse. Those in
> NYC will have one more chance to see the Nightingales,
> this time with Typical Girls faves Tracy + the
> Plastics and Tallboys, as well as Barr and
> Notekillers. For more info:
> 
> http://www.toddpnyc.com
> 
> later, dan
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 7
> Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2005 09:57:12 -0500 (GMT-05:00)
> From: Aileen Brophy <poptones13 AT earthlink.net>
> Subject: RE: [TypicalGirls] Is this tune by The Raincoats??
> To: TypicalGirls AT lists.ibiblio.org
> Message-ID:
> <32265431.1111503433066.JavaMail.root AT gonzo.psp.pas.earthlink.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
> 
>> I once ended up with a Le Trimm (with rappers Tigra and Bunny) song 
>> labelled
>> Le
> Tigre...
> 
> I got that exact same one!  ;)  In a way it was good, because it exposed me 
> to
> a song I wouldn't have otherwise heard, but it was also bad because it gave 
> me
> no idea of who actually did the track.  I've seen the same thing happen on
> Ebay where sellers just plop the name of bands who sound the same in the
> title, which is misleading.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 8
> Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2005 07:20:10 -0800 (PST)
> From: Emily Arkin <viole_falushe AT yahoo.com>
> Subject: RE: [TypicalGirls] Is this tune by The Raincoats??
> To: Aileen Brophy <poptones13 AT earthlink.net>,
> TypicalGirls AT lists.ibiblio.org
> Message-ID: <20050322152010.27313.qmail AT web41109.mail.yahoo.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
> 
> Le Trimm=the original Fannypack.
> I actually totally love that Cars That Go Boom song.
> There is something great about the organic nature of the
> internet...
> 
> And, really, bless the net because we have somewhere to
> talk about the Raincoats. I remember dialing into a BBS as
> a kid and trying to find out something about music and
> there would only be, like, one little message about trading
> Grateful Dead boots. And I hoped against hope that maybe
> there would someday be information about a band that I
> liked. 
> 
> And now there is more info about every band than I probably
> have time to read in my lifetime (tho some of it spurious)!
> 
> e
> 
> --- Aileen Brophy <poptones13 AT earthlink.net> wrote:
>>> I once ended up with a Le Trimm (with rappers Tigra and
>> Bunny) song labelled Le
>> Tigre...
>> 
>> I got that exact same one!  ;)  In a way it was good,
>> because it exposed me to a song I wouldn't have otherwise
>> heard, but it was also bad because it gave me no idea of
>> who actually did the track.  I've seen the same thing
>> happen on Ebay where sellers just plop the name of bands
>> who sound the same in the title, which is misleading.
> 
> 
> http://emilyarkin.com * the-operators.com * magpie-store.com
> 
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