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- From: Seth Woolley <seth AT tautology.org>
- To: "Julian v. Bock" <julian AT openit.de>
- Cc: Ladislav Hagara <hgr AT vabo.cz>, "" <sm-grimoire AT lists.ibiblio.org>
- Subject: Re: [SM-Grimoire] kerberos 1.2.7
- Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2003 17:05:09 -0800 (PST)
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On Wed, 22 Jan 2003, Julian v. Bock wrote:
> Hi
>
> >>>>> "LH" == Ladislav Hagara <hgr AT vabo.cz> writes:
>
> LH> "MIT distributes Kerberos only to US citizens located in the
> LH> United States, or to Canadian citizens located in Canada."
>
> Does anyone know whether the (MIT-)kerberos license forbids
> distribution to other people than the ones listed above, or is just
> MIT going nuts?
>
> If the license forbids it we should move kerberos to z-rejected.
>
> Julian
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- From what I gather, as a citizen of the US.
They don't want to have to file for the permit each time they upload a new
version. It costs them time and money. And it keeps the University
Trustees happy they are not "helping Osama Bin Laden".
There's hardly anything restricted anymore, it's just that it often
requires a permit. I think this is pointless, so I don't restrict my
mirror, as it's available elsewhere outside of the US anyways, and they
don't deny permits that I know of. The international crypto patch to
linux, for example, is on plenty of US-based sites, and they don't need
to do paperwork, but that might be different because it's probably
authored outside the US.
I've not heard of any enforcements of the permit requirement anyways. I
think even the permit requirement is nonsensical, so ... I look forward to
someone outside getting this code and mirroring it, again.
Fact 1)
I _can_ download it.
Fact 2)
I _can_ send it to somebody overseas without anybody knowing about it.
Fact 3)
The US law says nothing that I know about a foreign national happening
upon permit-regulated code and putting it on their website. IANAL, but
I've never heard of anybody doing this, then coming to the US Skyralov
style and being fined or anything. It would only apply to the exporter.
Fact 4)
If we include an international mirror in our spell, it would not break any
laws that I know of.
Fact 5)
> LH> "MIT distributes Kerberos only to US citizens located in the
> LH> United States, or to Canadian citizens located in Canada."
It says "MIT distributes" because the law would apply to _them_, not the
downloader. Anybody know of somewhere within the MIT license that says
that you are not allowed to use it if you are not US or Canadian?
Fact 6)
Ironically, Canada does not have export restrictions like this, so a
Canadian can take the code and reexport it just fine, and that would be
100% legal (again, IANAL).
Conclusion)
Conclude whatever you want. My email address is in the From: header and
my public key is accessible from links below.
Does somebody from Canada want to mirror the code for a bit?
Seth
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[SM-Grimoire] kerberos 1.2.7,
Ladislav Hagara, 01/22/2003
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Re: [SM-Grimoire] kerberos 1.2.7,
Julian v. Bock, 01/22/2003
- Re: [SM-Grimoire] kerberos 1.2.7, Seth Woolley, 01/22/2003
- <Possible follow-up(s)>
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Re: [SM-Grimoire] kerberos 1.2.7,
Arwed von Merkatz, 01/22/2003
- Re: [SM-Grimoire] kerberos 1.2.7, Julian v. Bock, 01/22/2003
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Re: [SM-Grimoire] kerberos 1.2.7,
Julian v. Bock, 01/22/2003
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