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[Eric Sandall <eric AT sandall.us>]

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On Fri, 31 Mar 2006, Andrew wrote:
> On Thu, Mar 30, 2006 at 02:11:20PM -0800, Eric Sandall wrote:
> > Sorcery:
> >   * Configuration files should never be overwritten (Stageroot?)
>
> Stage_root is currently the sorcery team's top priority and is planned
> to be released in sorcery 1.14. Stage_root is a pretty major feature, it
> will effect every build api2 spell. Its side-effects should be minimal
> and transparent to the spell, but we are not taking this lightly and are
> planning on having a lot of internal testing before it even reaches devel.
> The last thing we want is to inadvertantly cause more work for the
> grimoire team.
>
> According to the 1.0 roadmap, as of the 1.13.0 release (last fall)
> everything the sorcery team had agreed to do for 1.0 was completed
> (actually I think everything except one or two items was done in 1.12).
>
> I think its a bit late in the game to add anything new to the sorcery
> agenda as a 1.0 milestone, especially something big like stage_root
> (actually I think its a bit late in the game to add *anything*at*all*
> to the roadmap).
>
> The proposed date is for a July 1.0, thats in about 3 months, which I
> dont think is doable for stage_root. That leaves about a month to month-
> and-a-half to finish up all the 1.14 work, another month for things to
> soak in test and another few weeks before the proposed 1.0 to work out
> all the rough edges in the first stable version (as invariably happens).
> With our current development and testing resources I dont think thats
> a realistic goal.
>
> I cannot commit to it at this time, doing so would jeopardize sorcery's
> stability.
>
> The 1.14 release also includes sub-depends, so if the grimoire team is
> going to have a new milestone requiring sub-depends, then either the
> sorcery schedule needs a fairly big overhaul or that proposed July date
> just isn't going to happen. In other words, Im open to scheduling changes
> and adding newly completed sorcery work (not in the 1.0 roadmap) if
> thats what other teams want.
>
> I think the additions are lot to ask, either we want 1.0 "soon" (as in
> July), or we're going to be adding a bunch of stuff at the 11th hour and
> postpone it some more. We can't have both. On a personal level, 1.0
> soon or not isnt a big deal to me either way. However I wont commit to
> unrealistic milestones, regardless of what they're for.
>
> In summary, I think if we want 1.0, we should stick with what we planned
> on and not add *anything* to the roadmap unless its absolutely necessary.

Fair enough, and that's why I asked for feedback on the proposed
tasklist. ;) The Sorcery additions were there as I thought they'd be a
nice 'feature', with the July 'deadline' there to give a feeling of
"I'd like this finished somewhat soon", but not meaning (which I
didn't clearly put in my e-mail) that everything in the list will be
required to be done by July.

As for sub_depends, I /thought/ those were already on the list, but I
think I had the wrong set of eyes in. ;/

Do the Team Leads think we can make July for what's currently on the
Road Map[0] (with moving QA into Grimoire)? The items left on that
are:

Cauldron:
  * Bug list
http://bugs.sourcemage.org/buglist.cgi?query_format=advanced&short_desc_type=allwordssubstr&short_desc=&product=Install&target_milestone=0.9.6&target_milestone=0.9.7&target_milestone=1.0&long_desc_type=substring&long_desc=&bug_file_loc_type=allwordssubstr&bug_file_loc=&bug_status=NEW&bug_status=ASSIGNED&bug_status=REOPENED&emailassigned_to1=1&emailtype1=substring&email1=&emailassigned_to2=1&emailreporter2=1&emailcc2=1&emailtype2=substring&email2=&bugidtype=include&bug_id=&votes=&chfieldfrom=&chfieldto=Now&chfieldvalue=&cmdtype=doit&order=Reuse+same+sort+as+last+time&field0-0-0=noop&type0-0-0=noop&value0-0-0=
  * LVM support http://bugs.sourcemage.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6266
  * Test plan

Grimoire:
  * Bug list
http://bugs.sourcemage.org/buglist.cgi?query_format=advanced&short_desc_type=allwordssubstr&short_desc=&product=Codex&version=stable+grimoire&long_desc_type=substring&long_desc=&bug_file_loc_type=allwordssubstr&bug_file_loc=&bug_status=NEW&bug_status=ASSIGNED&bug_status=REOPENED&priority=P1&priority=P2&priority=P3&emailassigned_to1=1&emailtype1=substring&email1=&emailassigned_to2=1&emailreporter2=1&emailcc2=1&emailtype2=substring&email2=&bugidtype=include&bug_id=&votes=&chfieldfrom=&chfieldto=Now&chfieldvalue=&cmdtype=doit&order=Reuse+same+sort+as+last+time&field0-0-0=noop&type0-0-0=noop&value0-0-0=
  * config_query instead of query in spells
  * Grimoire Guru's Handbook updated
  * Prometheus working and running
  * All variables should be local

Tome:
  * Online documentation (e.g. Sorcery BashDocs on
http://docs.sourcemage.org/)
  * NNTP service
  * Linking forums, mailing lists, and usenet
  * Website should be distributable
  * Website stored in an SCM

- -sandalle

[0] http://www.sourcemage.org/RoadMap1.0

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Eric Sandall                     |  Source Mage GNU/Linux Developer
eric AT sandall.us                  |  http://www.sourcemage.org/
http://eric.sandall.us/          |  SysAdmin @ Inst. Shock Physics @ WSU
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