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  • From: Nick Jennings <nkj AT namodn.com>
  • To: Rob Helmer <robert AT namodn.com>
  • Cc: sm-discuss AT lists.ibiblio.org
  • Subject: Re: [SM-Discuss] Phoenix 0.3
  • Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2002 11:11:25 -0800

On Thu, Oct 31, 2002 at 10:03:44AM -0800, Rob Helmer wrote:
> On Thu, Oct 31, 2002 at 12:24:18PM -0500, Dufflebunk wrote:
> > Ewww, phoenix is included in mozilla?
>
> Phoenix IS mozilla, it's just a reworking of the frontend, so
> it's mostly a bunch of XUL ( XML files ). All the fixes that
> go into the Mozilla trunk go into Phoenix as well ( except
> for frontend work ), Phoenix stuff generally doesn't migrate
> back to Mozilla, since the Mozilla UI is seen as the problem that
> it's trying to overcome.

Yes, Mister Sir, however, I think the bugger is that you have to
download the mozilla source, or rather, check it out from CVS just
to build a subset of the code.

Seems they should provide a phoenix tarball which very well could
just be a check out of the code, except minus the stuff that isn't
going to be used in the compile. (Like Mail, News, Toaster Oven,
Bed Pan, and lets not forget the 10 inch pianist).


> The developers treat Phoenix as "what mozilla should have been" :
>
> * a browser
> * fast(er)
> * has a good user interface, designed by a small team
>
> It's still standards compliant and cross-platform, so it depends
> on all the xpcom/xpfe/gecko/javascript/etc. that they developed
> for the Mozilla project.
>
> Hopefully, once it gets good enough what is now "phoenix" will
> replace "mozilla navigator", and will be a seperate application from
> "mozilla mail" ( there's a Thunderbird project for that ), as
> opposed to the monolithic application that the "Mozilla Suite" is
> now.

Hey, no fair, :( you hurt mozilla's feelings. I think there in fact
*is* a place for the bloated monolith that is mozilla. Some people like
to have all that crap.

- Nick





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