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  • From: "lynx AT mages.ath.cx" <lynx AT mages.ath.cx>
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  • Subject: Re: [SM-Commit] GIT changes to master grimoire by Vlad Glagolev (1ff47d608322c7e4ebf3a8a71ef6228a777fc15d)
  • Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2008 09:04:29 +0100

On Wednesday 16 of January 2008 20:06:45 Alexander Tsamutali wrote:
> > Well, less code reuse/useless functions.. everything python-related
> > goes into python, perl-related goes into perl, lua-, ruby-, haskell-,
> > etc- related goes into theirs dirs. Look at the ruskie's commits for
> > example about such things as ruby-gtk (yes, it's not in x11-libs
> > anymore).
>
> Sorry, I can't understand this.
>
> When I think about sonata, i think "mpd
> client, audio player". As a user who looks on two sections:
> audio-players and python-pypi I would expect to find sonata in
> audio-players section, IOW they expect to find relevant software there.
> If you say that CODE REUSE is the most important thing, then we should
> hide such thing as "sections" from user because users DON'T CARE about
> our CODE REUSE.
We should hide them? Sections are already not shown often, nothing says that
they are feature-oriented and if you want to search for something, then the
best way is gaze search. The partly implemented KEYWORDS will someday
further
improve things (not much is missing for this to be completed).

http://bugs.sourcemage.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9008
http://bugs.sourcemage.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10703

> When I created haskell section none said nothing about
> CODE REUSE [0], so what happened now? Someone created new grimoire
> standards? Where can I read them?
Code reuse has always been the standard, at least since I am around (not
that
I did anything about it). Not many sections have been added since then (I
remember only fonts). I don't think this "standard" is written
anywhere yet, but I may be wrong.

Do haskell spells have a different build system? This isn't commonly known,
not then not now (they do). So there are some things to gain (*gasp* less
lines!), but I'm not bothered with the way haskell/ is now. As the
maintainer
you also have to right to prohibit others from changing it. ^^

I guess you're bothered by the fervorly strict approach taken recently with
the other $language sections. I doubt you can convince others otherwise, so
it is best if we just try to postfix it - finish the keywords implementation
(yay, more talking about standards). Or if you're bullheaded, you can still
file for that vote, but don't forget that someone needs to second it and
that
sm-commit isn't the best place to send it to (the timing also isn't optimal).

> P.S. IMHO Source Mage will continue to suck and I will continue whining
> [1] time to time, and after some time I'll move to Arch.
Unless we do something about it (»we« includes you too). Your status
whine was
sent about a year ago and the overall buggyness has decreased since then
(p.e. the grimoire bug count is a bit over 800) and the total now very
slowly
continues to decrease. There's like 150 bugs about x86_64, mostly still from
the prometheus run, that need to get reviewed and tested (I don't have such
hardware). I bet 30 can be closed without any changes.
Web? Well, at least we have good news and PR thanks to Paul Beel. The way I
see it things are only improving.

Nobody is stopping you from using arch or using it exclusively.

good night!

--
We cannot command nature except by obeying her. --Sir Francis Bacon
Have a sourcerous day! www.sourcemage.org





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