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  • From: Warron van Riet <pinigardens@yahoo.co.uk>
  • To: seedkeepers@lists.ibiblio.org
  • Subject: [Seed Keepers] GM and me. And you all thinking ahead..great
  • Date: Fri, 29 Feb 2008 23:19:34 +0000 (GMT)

Hi People, Anders

> I would tend to agree to about 50%. But there a
> considerable side-effects, like stray pollination
> an and production of artificial bichemichal
> compounds with unknown effects. Just like any
> pollution it will spread to places where it
> doesn't belong. I think they ought to do proper
> research for another 100 years first. And then it
> wouldn't be commercially interesting and the money
> would go somewhere else.
>

For sure, this is an infant sciencxe :) however we
just can`t forget what we learnt, mindless of the side
effects. As to "commercially" I´ve learnt that for an
idea to be sucessful it has to be commercialy
viable....cèst la vie.

> > Such products
> >with an increased yield/ha
>
> I think so far gmos do not produce higher yield,
> AFAIK.
>


thats because the haven`t got their priorities
right. Once they figure out they can increase their
alcohol content from crops, the biofuel industry will
take off and hopefully leave the food crop science
alone.

> I think there is a fair chance we can roll back
> chemical fertilisers and pesticides in a century
> or so, despite the dominating position they've
> had the last century. So we can do that with gm
> too, although it will take some while.
>

Agreed!. First I think that we would need a viable
GM industry. Before this happens , my grandchildren
will be running around. But it is never too early to
start the counter attack! I`m with you all the way!..
Now we do what we can, or should!

Nice to meet you Anders!!!!!

Warron



Nice to see you`re on the same wavelength.
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> Date: Fri, 29 Feb 2008 21:56:43 +0100
> From: Anders Skarlind <Anders.Skalman@telia.com>
> Subject: Re: [Seed Keepers] GM and me
> To: Seed Keepers <seedkeepers@lists.ibiblio.org>
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> Hello Warron
> I am a Swedish seed saver. I have been growing
> vegetable seeds for almost 20 years. Our climate
> is not so beneficial for seed production, but
> still we can grow seed of the plants that are
> adapted to our climate. We also have a lot to save
> and we are working on it.
>
> At 20:49 2008-02-29, you wrote:
>
>
> > Hi people,
> >
> > I`m new to the list. My name is Warron and I
> live
> >on a secluded greek island in the Aegean. I have
> been
> >a organic plant activist for years and collect and
> >save seeds I deem as rare (mostly from the med).
>
> I think it is good to concentrate on the local
> varieties and those that grow well in your area.
>
>
> > As concerns GM, which I am agaisnt:
> >
> > now and again pops up the thought that with the
> >rapidly changing climate the natural ability of
> plant
> >evolution to produce wonderful new varieties which
> >enrich our culinary habits and which might provide
> >solutions to our agricultural problems might be in
> >danger. We are losing non GM varieties on a daily
> >basis and the end result is that as a race we might
> be
> >forced to accept GM. God forbid that this happens.
> >
> > This is the reason I collect seeds and have
> signed
> >up to this list, hoping to protect the diversity
> that
> >earth has up till now provided for us.
>
> Right.
>
> > A more acceptable view of GM for me would be
> that of
> >GM crops being grown for specific industries, such
> as
> >biofuel production, bio plastics etc.
>
> I would tend to agree to about 50%. But there a
> considerable side-effects, like stray pollination
> an and production of artificial bichemichal
> compounds with unknown effects. Just like any
> pollution it will spread to places where it
> doesn't belong. I think they ought to do proper
> research for another 100 years first. And then it
> wouldn't be commercially interesting and the money
> would go somewhere else.
>
> > Such products
> >with an increased yield/ha
>
> I think so far gmos do not produce higher yield,
> AFAIK.
>
> >for said indusrties would
> >alleviate the upcomming strain on arable land
> >otherwise used for food production. Whether this
> is
> >feasible remains to be seen.
> >
> >
> > Don?t get me wrong I am 100% bio, but looking
> back
> >on history once the steam train starts rolling
> there
> >is no stopping it. It would be better to find a
> way
> >where it could be incorparated in our daily life
> with
> >a minimum of damage.
>
> I think there is a fair chance we can roll back
> chemical fertilisers and pesticides in a century
> or so, despite the dominating position they've
> had the last century. So we can do that with gm
> too, although it will take some while.
>
> Cheers
> Anders
>
>
> > :) warron.
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 2
> Date: Fri, 29 Feb 2008 16:04:20 -0500
> From: oowonbs@netscape.net
> Subject: Re: [Seed Keepers] Fort Knox- get over it
> To: seedkeepers@lists.ibiblio.org
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> As comedy and trajedy are close,
> and both happiness as well as sadness make us cry,
> perhaps the anger in parts of this list are mere
> reflections of love.
>
> In any event, you are well thought and well spoken
> and anything or anyone who causes words to create a
> response from you, does not serve us so poorly.
> Agree or disagree, (and I mostly agree,) you do cut
> to the heart of the matter and state your case well,
> a case that seems fairly universally acceptable, in
> my eyes.
>
> I'm sure every now and then a "tomato" list
> somewhere
> is in a full-moon uproar over GMO seeds, again...
> But, that's part of the love. It isn't always
> logical.
>
> BillSF9c
>
> ===================================
>
> LINDA who I am not picking on, but she gave me a
> jumping off point
> wrote:
>
> > IMHO we should all be doing that anyway. The
> farmers know how to keep
> > their seed alive- How much can vault staffers
> know?
>
> Well, unless the seed vault staff are supposed to
> also grow out the
> seed, how much about growing seed do they NEED to
> know? What the
> staffers need to know is how to keep seeds at the
> optimum conditions to
> keep it viable for as long as possible, and how to
> access these
> supposed
> files of growing and usage tips and hand them out to
> the people who
> need
> them.
>
> Besides, how do you know the staffers DON'T know
> more than you? There's
>
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  • [Seed Keepers] GM and me. And you all thinking ahead..great, Warron van Riet, 02/29/2008

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