Seed Keepers

[Warron van Riet <pinigardens@yahoo.co.uk>]

  Hi People, Anders

> I would tend to agree to about 50%. But there a 
> considerable side-effects, like stray pollination 
> an and production of artificial bichemichal 
> compounds with unknown effects. Just like any 
> pollution it will spread to places where it 
> doesn't belong. I think they ought to do proper 
> research for another 100 years first. And then it 
> wouldn't be commercially interesting and the money
> would go somewhere else.
>

  For sure, this is an infant sciencxe :)  however we
just can`t forget what we learnt, mindless of the side
effects.  As to "commercially" I´ve learnt that for an
idea to be sucessful it has to be commercialy
viable....cèst la vie.

> >  Such products
> >with an increased yield/ha
> 
> I think so far gmos do not produce higher yield,
> AFAIK.
> 


  thats because the haven`t got their priorities
right.  Once they figure out they can increase their
alcohol content from crops, the biofuel industry will
take off and hopefully leave the food crop science
alone.

> I think there is a fair chance we can roll back 
> chemical fertilisers and pesticides in a century 
> or so, despite the dominating position they've 
> had the last century. So we can do that with gm 
> too, although it will take some while.
> 

  Agreed!. First I think that we would need a viable
GM industry.  Before this happens , my grandchildren
will be running around.  But it is never too early to
start the counter attack!  I`m with you all the way!..
 Now we do what we can, or should!

  Nice to meet you Anders!!!!!

  Warron



Nice to see you`re on the same wavelength.
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>    1. Re: GM and me (Anders Skarlind)
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>    3. Re: Fort Knox of Food (Anders Skarlind)
>    4. Re: Fort Knox of Food (Sam Brungardt)
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> Date: Fri, 29 Feb 2008 21:56:43 +0100
> From: Anders Skarlind <Anders.Skalman@telia.com>
> Subject: Re: [Seed Keepers] GM and me
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> Hello Warron
> I am a Swedish seed saver. I have been growing 
> vegetable seeds for almost 20 years. Our climate 
> is not so beneficial for seed production, but 
> still we can grow seed of the plants that are 
> adapted to our climate. We also have a lot to save
> and we are working on it.
> 
> At 20:49 2008-02-29, you wrote:
> 
> 
> >   Hi people,
> >
> >   I`m new to the list.  My name is Warron and I
> live
> >on a secluded greek island in the Aegean.  I have
> been
> >a organic plant activist for years and collect and
> >save seeds I deem as rare (mostly from the med).
> 
> I think it is good to concentrate on the local 
> varieties and those that grow well in your area.
> 
> 
> >   As concerns GM, which I am agaisnt:
> >
> >  now and again pops up the thought that with the
> >rapidly changing climate the natural ability of
> plant
> >evolution to produce wonderful new varieties which
> >enrich our culinary habits and which might provide
> >solutions to our agricultural problems  might be in
> >danger.  We are losing non GM varieties on a daily
> >basis and the end result is that as a race we might
> be
> >forced to accept GM.  God forbid that this happens.
> >
> >   This is the reason I collect seeds and have
> signed
> >up to this list, hoping to protect the diversity
> that
> >earth has up till now provided for us.
> 
> Right.
> 
> >   A more acceptable view of GM for me would be
> that of
> >GM crops being grown for specific industries, such
> as
> >biofuel production, bio plastics etc.
> 
> I would tend to agree to about 50%. But there a 
> considerable side-effects, like stray pollination 
> an and production of artificial bichemichal 
> compounds with unknown effects. Just like any 
> pollution it will spread to places where it 
> doesn't belong. I think they ought to do proper 
> research for another 100 years first. And then it 
> wouldn't be commercially interesting and the money
> would go somewhere else.
> 
> >  Such products
> >with an increased yield/ha
> 
> I think so far gmos do not produce higher yield,
> AFAIK.
> 
> >for said indusrties would
> >alleviate the upcomming strain on arable land
> >otherwise used for food production.  Whether this
> is
> >feasible remains to be seen.
> >
> >
> >   Don?t get me wrong I am 100% bio, but looking
> back
> >on history once the steam train starts rolling
> there
> >is no stopping it.  It would be better to find a
> way
> >where it could be incorparated in our daily life
> with
> >a minimum of damage.
> 
> I think there is a fair chance we can roll back 
> chemical fertilisers and pesticides in a century 
> or so, despite the dominating position they've 
> had the last century. So we can do that with gm 
> too, although it will take some while.
> 
> Cheers
> Anders
> 
> 
> >   :)  warron.
> 
> 
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> Date: Fri, 29 Feb 2008 16:04:20 -0500
> From: oowonbs@netscape.net
> Subject: Re: [Seed Keepers] Fort Knox- get over it
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> As comedy and trajedy are close,
> and both happiness as well as sadness make us cry,
> perhaps the anger in parts of this list are mere
> reflections of love.
> 
> In any event, you are well thought and well spoken
> and anything or anyone who causes words to create a
> response from you, does not serve us so poorly.
> Agree or disagree, (and I mostly agree,) you do cut
> to the heart of the matter and state your case well,
> a case that seems fairly universally acceptable, in
> my eyes.
> 
> I'm sure every now and then a "tomato" list
> somewhere
> is in a full-moon uproar over GMO seeds, again...
> But, that's part of the love. It isn't always
> logical.
> 
> BillSF9c
> 
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> 
> LINDA who I am not picking on, but she gave me a
> jumping off point 
> wrote:
> 
> > IMHO we should all be doing that anyway. The
> farmers know how to keep
> > their seed alive- How much can vault staffers
> know?
> 
> Well, unless the seed vault staff are supposed to
> also grow out the
> seed, how much about growing seed do they NEED to
> know?  What the
> staffers need to know is how to keep seeds at the
> optimum conditions to
> keep it viable for as long as possible, and how to
> access these 
> supposed
> files of growing and usage tips and hand them out to
> the people who 
> need
> them.
> 
> Besides, how do you know the staffers DON'T know
> more than you? There's
> 
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