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  • From: Rich Snover <risnover AT aol.com>
  • To: ocba AT lists.ibiblio.org
  • Subject: Re: [ocba] ocba Digest, Vol 134, Issue 13
  • Date: Thu, 26 May 2016 11:41:41 -0400

Africanized bees have also
been found in Northern California plus bees in Washington state have 2 of the
3 Africanized traits

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> 1. Re: Africanized Bees (Randall Austin)
> 2. Re: Bees Thrive in an Unexpected Paradise - England
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> Date: Wed, 25 May 2016 13:36:57 -0400
> From: Randall Austin <ra41717 AT gmail.com>
> To: Walter Starks <walterstarks AT icloud.com>, Orange County Beekeepers
> Association <ocba AT lists.ibiblio.org>
> Subject: Re: [ocba] Africanized Bees
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> The article stops short of telling us what we really would like to know:
> the origin of this colony. They speculate but that doesn't help. Maybe
> Don Hopkins can give us more info once this SC case has been fully
> investigated.
>
> There are at least 3 ways the African genes could have gotten into this
> hive:
>
> 1. The colony or queen could have been purchased. Breeders in Texas
> send African-gene packages and queens all over the US. Don't buy
> packages from Texas!
> 2. The colony could have naturally replaced its queen and the virgin
> mated with African drones. The source of those drones would then
> become the worrisome question, at least for SC beekeepers. It is
> very possible that African swarms could/can/do arrive on ships in
> the Port of Charleston. That's why the area undergoes routine
> checks, and is why we have an African Honey Bee protocol in place
> around the Port of Wilmington.
> 3. The colony could have been usurped (overtaken) by an African-gene
> swarm. This is a common African trait.
>
> Genetic analysis can reveal which of these occurred, or at least
> separate 1 and 2 from 3.
>
> If the source of the genes is solely from drones, that isn't as
> worrisome as if they were maternal. Male-line hybrids aren't hardy.
>
> Note that the bees were discovered by a random check; they weren't
> tagged as being particularly aggressive. ALL mean colonies should be
> requeened, African or not -- there is no reason to keep mean bees.
>
> The article also doesn't tell us the _extent_ of Africanization of the
> bees. That's the big question. Do they represent a new northern
> incursion line or are they just Texas hybrids? The latter apparently
> don't get a meaningful genetic foothold everywhere they are purchased,
> otherwise the whole country would have been overrun several years ago.
>
> I highly recommend Dewey Caron's Africanized Bees in the Americas
> <http://www.amazon.com/Africanized-honey-Americas-Dewey-Caron/dp/0936028149/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1464196614&sr=8-1&keywords=africanized+bees+in+the+americas+dewey>
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> to anyone who is interested in this topic.
>
> Randall
>
>
>> On 5/25/2016 9:13 AM, Walter Starks wrote:
>> Africanized Bees found in Charleston, SC.
>> http://www.charlotteobserver.com/news/state/article79478822.html
>>
>> ______
>>
>> Walter
>>
>>
>> You never can tell with bees. ~ Winnie-the-Pooh
>>
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> Date: Wed, 25 May 2016 19:48:27 +0000 (UTC)
> From: Cynthia Woodsong <zynwoodsong AT yahoo.com>
> To: John Rintoul <beecd AT icloud.com>, Orange County Beekeepers
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> Subject: Re: [ocba] Bees Thrive in an Unexpected Paradise - England
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> Well, some bees might prefer England over Paris.
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> From: John Rintoul <beecd AT icloud.com>
> To: Orange County Beekeepers Association <ocba AT lists.ibiblio.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, May 25, 2016 9:26 AM
> Subject: [ocba] Bees Thrive in an Unexpected Paradise - Paris
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> Obviously, this is only one beekeeper's observation rather than a
> large-sample, scientific study based on empirical research, but it gives
> hope to those of us who are urban beekeepers. And it's an interesting
> thought.
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> John Rintoul
> (919) 414-4071
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