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Thanks folks. Since this discussion  I have moved my kakis into a bed of soil 
and buried them However, how do you protect the young seedlings' stems from 
voles? I'm afraid to pack straw or other material around the stems.


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-------- Original message --------
From: Matt Demmon <mdemmon@gmail.com> 
Date: 12/09/2016  3:55 PM  (GMT-05:00) 
To: mailing list at ibiblio - Northamerican Allied Fruit Experimenters 
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Subject: Re: [nafex] Care of D. kaki seedlings 

Jerry,

You are correct in that I did not mulch above the soil surface, or only to
an 1" or so depth. It sounds like heaping it up will help. I was mostly
trying to point out that in my experience, many species will survive in
pots above ground with minimal care (serviceberry, elderberry, apple, plum,
etc.) but paw paw and persimmon will not in my climate, and it sounds like
not in yours either!

Matt

z5 SE MI

On Wed, Nov 30, 2016 at 10:13 PM, Jerry Lehman <jwlehmantree@gmail.com>
wrote:

> On 11/30/2016 5:02 PM, Matt Demmon wrote:
>
>> I'm not sure what your overwintering plan is, but in my experience
>> wintering seedlings in pots, persimmons are some of the most difficult. I
>> generally experience 100% death if they are kept outside above ground over
>> winter, even in a sheltered location or with leaves or chips mounded
>> around
>> the pots. Same with paw paws, BTW.
>>
> Matt,
>
> I will say (write) this with tongue-in-cheek. Chips and leaves don't offer
> enough protection if there only packed around the pots to the surface of
> the soil in the pots. I think if you had it 12 inches over the top of the
> soil in the pots the root system would receive sufficient insulation to
> survive. Some years back I had a number of kaki seedlings in the soil and I
> packed wood chips around them to a depth of 12 inches which completely
> covered the little seedlings. They survived and one day when the
> temperature was 0°F I took a thermometer and inserted it down into the wood
> chips to a depth of about 6 inches and the temperature at that level was
> 20°. I'm curious, if you had mulched above the soil levels in the pot how
> deep was it?
>
> Jerry
>
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