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["Jim Fruth" <jimfruth@charter.net>]

“Black fruit target only the local birds,”  Local birds are not a problem.  
Migrating birds are all the problem.

-----Original Message----- 
From: Melissa Kacalanos 
Sent: Friday, January 29, 2016 7:35 AM 
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Subject: Re: [nafex] Saving cherries from the birds (Good Fruit Grower) 

Maybe red beads would work even for the black fruit. 

I heard that red and black fruit have different seed dispersal strategies. 
Red fruit are obviously very showy, attracting all the fruit-eaters. Black 
fruit target only the local birds, not the ones that are just passing 
through, by turning red and conspicuous before they're ripe, so local animals 
make a mental note to come back for them later. Then when they ripen, they 
turn inconspicuously black, so only the animals that are in-the-know can find 
them. This ensures that the seeds are dropped somewhat locally, where they 
are adapted. 

I don't know if this is true or not, but I can't think of a different 
explanation for why any plant would have fruit that are inconspicuous when 
ripe. 

Melissa 

Sent from my iPhone (pardon my brevity). 

> On Jan 29, 2016, at 12:17 AM, Jay Cutts <orders@cuttsreviews.com> wrote:
> 
> I can kind of see why black doesn't work. Red is a strong color that stands 
> out in nature so that birds would be attracted to the color, as it 
> indicates ripeness. Birds may not be attracted to the color per se of black 
> berries, as lots of things are very dark colored in nature.
> 
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> 
> Jay
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>> On 1/28/2016 8:08 PM, Jim Fruth wrote:
>> Sam,
>> 
>>   I grow sour cherries and have ZERO bird problems.  Why?  I hang red 
>> plastic 'cherries' in the trees and leave them in the tree the whole year 
>> around, replacing them as they fade.  Also, I put red painted stones in 
>> the strawberries as soon as blooming is finished.  The birds peck on the 
>> rocks, hurt their beaks and don't come back.  AND I hang raspberry shaped 
>> berry beads around the perimeter of the red raspberry patch as soon as 
>> blooming is done. It doesn't work 100% but it helps.  Black berry beads do 
>> not work with blackberry and black raspberry and I don't know why not.
>> 
>> Jim Fruth
>> 
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>> -----Original Message----- From: Brungardt, Sam (MPCA)
>> Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2016 9:16 AM
>> To: mailing list at ibiblio - Northamerican Allied Fruit Experimenters
>> Subject: [nafex] Saving cherries from the birds (Good Fruit Grower)
>> 
>> Saving cherries from the birds 
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>>  (http://www.goodfruit.com/saving-cherries-from-the-birds/ )
>> Good Fruit Grower
>> Cherry growers sometimes feel like they're growing fruit mainly for the 
>> birds, but there is new information that can help them make informed 
>> decisions ...
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Alan,
    You have my permission to send it to anyone.  I sent it to magazines in
US, UK, CA, Australia and Russia

Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: Alan Haigh
Sent: Friday, January 29, 2016 5:05 AM
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Subject: [nafex] Jim Fruth's comments.

Jim, do you mind if I quote your comments on the Growingfruit.org forum?
Some members who don't also participate on nafex@lists might be
interested.  I always thought this an ingenious strategy and reading it
again I feel foolish for never having tried it as you've been sharing this
for a very long time.

I grow sour cherries and have ZERO bird problems.  Why?  I hang red
plastic 'cherries' in the trees and leave them in the tree the whole year
around, replacing them as they fade.  Also, I put red painted stones in the
strawberries as soon as blooming is finished.  The birds peck on the rocks,
hurt their beaks and don't come back.  AND I hang raspberry shaped berry
beads around the perimeter of the red raspberry patch as soon as blooming is
done.  It doesn't work 100% but it helps.  Black berry beads do not work
with blackberry and black raspberry and I don't know why not.
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