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[Chris Carnevale <c.s.carnevale@gmail.com>]

While we're on the subject of eleagnus, I found whilst browsing the web 
a species called Eleagnus latifolia, aka So Shang or Soh-Shang, that is 
reported to be tastier and larger than goumi., by people who write about 
it on the web, but I don't have personal experience with it. Its fruit 
grows up to 2 inches long.

Here is a fact sheet on so shang: 
http://gbpihedenvis.nic.in/HTML/vol16_2/R.%20K.%20Patel.pdf

Here is a great discussion thread and luscious photos at 
http://tropicalfruitforum.com/index.php?topic=558.0

Also Dr. Chiranjit Parmar has an entry on Fruitipedia on So Shang here: 
http://fruitipedia.com/soh_shang_Eleagnus_latifolia.htm

Any NAFEXers have experience with this one or cuttings to spare?

Chris Carnevale
Charleston, SC


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> I've seen a thread on them at permies.com, so I know there are some people 
> growing them who perhaps might have seed available, and possibly experience 
> growing them in different regions. 
> http://www.permies.com/t/33839/forest-garden/Trebizond-Date-Eleaeagnus-angustifolia-var
> Also of note, a thread (in French) with several photos of the fruit on the 
> tree: http://www.greffer.net/discussion/viewtopic.php?t=2302
> Historical note from 1978 with some details about the plant: 
> http://www.il.nrcs.usda.gov/Internet/FSE_PLANTMATERIALS/publications/nmpmcrbelanking.pdf
>   [later removed from list of recommended conservation plants due to concerns 
> about potential invasiveness in the west]
> Also good listing in Plants for a Future database: 
> http://www.pfaf.org/user/Plant.aspx?LatinName=Elaeagnus+orientalis (they've rated 
> edibility at 4 "stars")
> Dave's Garden does not list any sources for seed or plants.
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> Jeanne Wallace, northern Utah foothills, 4600' elevation (1 acre edible 
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> Dang! Where else can we buy them?
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> > Just tried to order the E angustifolia va orietalis from Baker Creek
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> I just posted a request for seeds on the permies forum - will see. The
> first Iranian online grocer I tried won't ship to Canada- will keep trying.
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> On Tue, Mar 25, 2014 at 11:25 PM, Nutritional Solutions <btnutrition@aol.com
> > wrote:
> > I've seen a thread on them at permies.com, so I know there are some
> > people growing them who perhaps might have seed available, and possibly
> > experience growing them in different regions.
> > http://www.permies.com/t/33839/forest-garden/Trebizond-Date-Eleaeagnus-angustifolia-var
> > Also of note, a thread (in French) with several photos of the fruit on the
> > tree: http://www.greffer.net/discussion/viewtopic.php?t=2302
> > Historical note from 1978 with some details about the plant:
> > http://www.il.nrcs.usda.gov/Internet/FSE_PLANTMATERIALS/publications/nmpmcrbelanking.pdf
> >  [later removed from list of recommended conservation plants due to
> > concerns about potential invasiveness in the west]
> > Also good listing in Plants for a Future database:
> > http://www.pfaf.org/user/Plant.aspx?LatinName=Elaeagnus+orientalis(they've rated 
> > edibility at 4 "stars")
> > Dave's Garden does not list any sources for seed or plants.
> >
> >
> > Jeanne Wallace, northern Utah foothills, 4600' elevation (1 acre edible
> > landscape, 75+ varieties of fruits & nuts)
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> > > Just tried to order the E angustifolia va orietalis from Baker Creek
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> I'm also interested in growing this out, if someone gets it together
> to source some material....
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> ~mIEKAL
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> On Tue, Mar 25, 2014 at 10:55 PM, Mary Yett <yettmw@gmail.com> wrote:
> > I just posted a request for seeds on the permies forum - will see. The
> > first Iranian online grocer I tried won't ship to Canada- will keep trying.
> >
> >
> > On Tue, Mar 25, 2014 at 11:25 PM, Nutritional Solutions <btnutrition@aol.com
> > > wrote:
> > > I've seen a thread on them at permies.com, so I know there are some
> > > people growing them who perhaps might have seed available, and possibly
> > > experience growing them in different regions.
> > > http://www.permies.com/t/33839/forest-garden/Trebizond-Date-Eleaeagnus-angustifolia-var
> > > Also of note, a thread (in French) with several photos of the fruit on the
> > > tree: http://www.greffer.net/discussion/viewtopic.php?t=2302
> > > Historical note from 1978 with some details about the plant:
> > > http://www.il.nrcs.usda.gov/Internet/FSE_PLANTMATERIALS/publications/nmpmcrbelanking.pdf
> > >  [later removed from list of recommended conservation plants due to
> > > concerns about potential invasiveness in the west]
> > > Also good listing in Plants for a Future database:
> > > http://www.pfaf.org/user/Plant.aspx?LatinName=Elaeagnus+orientalis(they've rated 
> > > edibility at 4 "stars")
> > > Dave's Garden does not list any sources for seed or plants.
> > >
> > >
> > > Jeanne Wallace, northern Utah foothills, 4600' elevation (1 acre edible
> > > landscape, 75+ varieties of fruits & nuts)
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > >
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> > >     1. Re:  [NAFEX] russian olive, elaeagnus sp (Mary Yett)
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> > > Dang! Where else can we buy them?
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> > >
> > > On Sat, Mar 22, 2014 at 1:07 PM, mIEKAL aND <qazingulaza@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > > Just tried to order the E angustifolia va orietalis from Baker Creek
> > > > and they are already out of seeds.  :(
> > > >
> > > > ~mIEKAL
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