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[Jeffrey Boulier <boulierinasia@yahoo.com>]

So, I looked at Hidden Springs Nursery's website. They list Azarole (S) 
(Crataegus x Lavallei.)

The problem is that Azarole should be Crataegus azarolus. Crataegus x 
Lavallei is something else (a hybrid of C. mexicana with probably C. 
crus-galli). Did you buy from them, and if so, are you sure what you have is 
an azarole and not  Lavallée's hawthorn? 

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From: Jeffrey Boulier <boulierinasia@yahoo.com>
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Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2013 10:46 PM
Subject: Re: [nafex] Hawthorns - best varieties



Glad to hear a good word for the Azarole! I may order one. I picked up a 
Chinese Hawthorn last winter, and it already has had a bout with fireblight. 
I cut off the affected branches and am hoping it will recover, but it's a bad 
sign for its disease resistance. Too bad; I really like the taste. 

I found my copy of Phipps. C. scabrifolia is the edible hawthorn used by the 
southern Chinese.

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We have grown Azarole in zone 6 with no hardiness problem.  There is some 
quince rust but still we get a good crop.  Available at Hidden Springs along 
with Mayhaw.    We have serious quince rust problems with Chinese hawthorn, 
most of fruit is too damaged to use.   Hector Black zone 6 middle tn


On Jan 16, 2013, at 3:16 PM, Jeffrey Boulier wrote:

> I'm very interested in hawthorns, but my knowledge is mostly theory -- I 
> only have a couple at the moment and they are all still in pots. 
> 
> There are a few species of hawthorn that are commercially grown for their 
> fruit. 
> 
> Crataegus azarolus (Azarole)
> Crataegus pinnatifida (Chinese Hawthorn/Shan Zha)
> Crataegus mexicana (Mexican Hawthorn/Tejocote)
> Crategus opaca, Crataegus aestivalus, and maybe Crataegus rufula (Mayhaw)
> 
> I think there's also a southern Chinese species whose name escapes me, but 
> is mentioned in Phipps'  "Hawthorns and Medlars" book.
> 
> Additionally, some taxonomists are now lumping Mespilus germanica (Medlar) 
> into Crataegus. 
> 
> I would expect that of the above, only the American-origin mayhaws and 
> tejocote have any significant resistance to fireblight.
> 
> Azarole is listed by OGW and pfaf as zone 6, but to be honest even that 
> seems marginal to me; it's grown only in southern Europe. 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ________________________________
> From: Matt Demmon <mdemmon@gmail.com>
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> Sent: Friday, January 11, 2013 1:53 PM
> Subject: Re: [nafex] Hawthorns - best varieties
> 
> I don't remember the species names, but I noticed that One Green World had
> several different groups of hawthorns for sale this time around, including
> Mayhaw from the S. United States, Azarole from Italy, and a hawthorn from
> China. All claimed to be hardy to z5.
> 
> -matt
> 
> On Fri, Jan 11, 2013 at 1:29 PM, Steven Covacci <filtertitle@aol.com> wrote:
> 
>> 
>> 
>> I'm interested in growing excellent types of hawthorns.
>> According to Ken Fern (Plants for a Future), a European species: Crataegus
>> schraderana is exceptionally delicious.  I don't know of a source for it in
>> the US.  Any ideas?
>> Natives: I have a seed-propgated 'Homestead' (C. x arnoldiana).  C.
>> arnoldiana (including C. mollisa and C. submollis) are considered some of
>> the best; perhaps for size, if not that and flavor.  C. flava is supposed
>> to be good, along with C. succulenta.
>> I'm getting a native Crataegus from NY - from Schlabach's Nursery known as
>> 'Heart's Delight', which is supposedly very good.
>> Steve NJ
>> 
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