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  • From: mIEKAL aND <qazingulaza@gmail.com>
  • To: nafex mailing list at ibiblio <nafex@lists.ibiblio.org>
  • Subject: Re: [nafex] seedling / graft argument
  • Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2012 11:37:09 -0600

Charles, thanks for the post, I've read it carefully but you don't
mention the actual method you use to insure the nuts are that close to
the mother tree. Also how do you induce fruiting on a 3-4 year old
nut tree. My carpatians just produced their first nuts after 19
years!

~mIEKAL



On Wed, Nov 21, 2012 at 11:24 AM, Charles Rhora <rhoras@nuttrees.com> wrote:
> Just to expand the subject of apples only, lets change the community to
> edible nuts, which is an extremely health dietary nutrition. I will give one
> example, while I do have many more. The Persian walnut (some call it
> Carpathian, English, etc. depending where the original seed were obtained
> from). With proper care, have developed a method which requires no
> pre-germination treatment (stratification) for the seed. Have developed a
> method of pre-selection of nuts from the "mother tree" grafted in other
> words, which will produce up to 80 percent production of nuts that are
> equal to or better than the original grafted tree, in taste as well as
> quantity. Just a footnote to this procedure, it has improved the quality of
> the seedling trees to prevent infection, and in many cases, eliminated
> diseases in some of the other varieties of other nut trees. In my growing
> area, which is a climatic zone 4, hardiness is the most important aspect for
> enhancing the survival of the trees. Once the seedlings reach the age of 3-4
> years, by proper procedure they may be induced to produce a crop on one or
> more branches which tells what the seedling tree will produce in the future.
> The seedlings are selected in the following order, 1/ hardiness (which was
> mentioned above). 2/ size of nut and kernel content contained in the shell -
> 3/ taste. Number 2 & 3 are interchangeable, depending on what one desires.
> I had originally planted my orchards to grafted trees, which I found out
> later was the worse choose I could have made. We had a test winter, where
> the temperature hovered between - 30 - -35 degrees F. for more than 2 weeks.
> Frost was down at least 3 - to 4 feet in the ground. In the following Spring
> and Summer 90 percent of the grafted trees died back to the ground,
> including the rootstock. The surviving grafted trees, over the next few
> years gradually declined to a point that I have a very few left. I had also
> planted out orchards of seedlings nut trees. The seedling trees did not
> even show any sign of die-back and even produced a bumper crop of nuts that
> year. Needles to say, from that time on, I have only grown seedling trees
> for my orchards and the production is again well worth the effort, as the
> taste is much more pronounced in the seedling trees, over the grafted trees.
> In summary, growing seedlings trees, which may take up to 3-4 years, which
> is not that much time, to know exactly what you may expect.
>
> Charles Rhora,
> 33083 Wills Road,
> Wainfleet, Ontario Canada.
>
> www.nuttrees.com
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nafex-bounces@lists.ibiblio.org
> [mailto:nafex-bounces@lists.ibiblio.org] On Behalf Of Richard MURPHY
> Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2012 7:22 PM
> To: nafex
> Subject: [nafex] seedling / graft argument
>
> The Geneva Station in New York and EMLA in UK did a lot of very important
> work, especially the development of desirable rootstocks for apples. Not
> just the ability of the root to absorb nutients; resistance to Wolly Apple
> Aphids, Nematodes, Fireblight, Scab. Improved anchoring and cold hardiness.
> Drought tolerance and wet soil tolerance. Improved branching habits.
> Resistance to crown rot. I would be interested to hear what Dr. Jim Cummins
> thinks about the seedling / grafted apple fruit argument. The
> definition of the word 'experiment' is 'work done to prove or disprove a
> theory'. In the seed vs. graft argument, we see a 'proclamation', but
> surprisingly little mention of things like fruit quality, quantity, size,
> acid, sugars, keeping ability etc.. Until someone generates a 'score card',
> the contest is over. For myself, I grow seedling trees for amusement and
> rootstocks. For production, Geneva and EMLA get the job done in a
> predictable and reliable manner.
> There are a number of excellent 'chance seedling' apples; Cox's Pippin,
> Hudson Golden Gem, Wolf River, Virginia Gold, Red Delicious, to name a few.
> Are any of these offered for sale on their own roots? my 2 centsMurph
>
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