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In a message dated 11/20/2012 10:47:44 AM Eastern Standard Time, 
pxbacher@gmail.com writes:

> APPLE BREEDING
> The making of a new apple variety
> Selections from the cross
> Moxton x NY XXXXX (can't read number)
> Moxton x Antonovia
> Population of 380 seedlings
> 

Pete,

You are correct. My error, it was 100 of a population of 380 not 120. 

Jerry
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Thanks for sending this out.=A0 I copied this off somewhere quite a while a=
go, but I wasn't sure where it was anymore.=A0 I love the idea that someone=
 grew out all these trees from the seeds off one apple tree!=0A=0A=0A=A0=0A=
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The Geneva Station in New York and EMLA in UK did a lot of very important w=
ork=2C especially the development of desirable rootstocks for apples. Not j=
ust the ability of the root to absorb nutients=3B resistance to Wolly Apple=
 Aphids=2C Nematodes=2C Fireblight=2C Scab. Improved anchoring and cold har=
diness. Drought tolerance and wet soil tolerance. Improved branching habits=
. Resistance to crown rot. I would be interested to hear what Dr. Jim Cummi=
ns thinks about the seedling / grafted apple fruit argument.              T=
he definition of the word 'experiment' is 'work done to prove or disprove a=
 theory'. In the seed vs. graft argument=2C we see a 'proclamation'=2C but =
surprisingly little mention of things like fruit quality=2C quantity=2C siz=
e=2C acid=2C sugars=2C keeping ability etc.. Until someone generates a 'sco=
re card'=2C the contest is over. For myself=2C I grow seedling trees for am=
usement and rootstocks. For production=2C Geneva and EMLA get the job done =
in a predictable and reliable manner.            There are a number of exce=
llent 'chance seedling' apples=3B Cox's Pippin=2C Hudson Golden Gem=2C Wolf=
 River=2C Virginia Gold=2C Red Delicious=2C to name a few. Are any of these=
 offered for sale on their own roots?  my 2 centsMurph                        
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