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[Sarah Kehler Ewing <skkewing@yahoo.com>]

If they were in full green growth right to the roots I could see that 
happening, but I haven't seen any die back (except for the ones the mice 
ate!) on my U of S cherries at all in spite  of all the weird weather we have 
had these last few years.  This year we had no frost from the beginning of 
April to the third week of May (when we normally have steady frosts) and then 
we had two hard (5 or more degrees of frost) frosts a week apart... no dead 
cherry trees or even dead leaves and they all still have fruit on them.  Last 
year was pretty much the same story with warm weather and then frosts, except 
add snow in with the frost and have it last for a week.

A general rule for all Canadian prairie hardy cherries (Evans and all of the 
U of S cherries) is that they do better on poor soil without fertilizer so 
they don't grow as much and have more time to harden off before winter hits.  
But I have fertilized all my trees with barn cleanings for the past 2 years 
and they are doing fine... except for the Evan's cherry tree up close to my 
house.  It keeps forgetting to leaf out in spring although it can be 
persuaded to with heavy applications of sulfur (which it isn't supposed to 
need) and copper.
 
 
Sarah 
zone 3
Edmonton, AB


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From: Ernest Plutko <ernestplutko@wiktel.com>
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Subject: [NAFEX] How hardy is Carmine Jewel?

I had some Carmine Jewel cherry plants on my porch the second week of
this May.  They were in individual large pots.  It frosted lightly in
the night and all seven plants lost their leaves and died.  I had
another six plants inside which did not die.  At first I assumed the
leaves would grow back but no they died.  I was amazed.

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My friend's own rooted Evan's cherry tree suckers like crazy (none of mine 
do, but mine are all own rooted too).  We know hers is also own rooted 
because she planted 6 or so of her suckers in her own yard and they have been 
fruiting for years.
 
Sarah 
zone 3
Edmonton, AB


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From: Steve <sdw12986@aol.com>
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Actually, it's the other way around. The name Bali came from Bill 
Mackentley at St Lawrence Nurseries. He sold them only as tissue 
cultured trees. I talked him into selling me one the year before they 
were big enough to list in his catalog. I watched Bill dig it up myself 
and we walked back to the building with him cupping the roots in his 
hands until he could wrap it properly.
My tree grew well. When it got big enough to flower I found that most of 
the flower buds were dead every spring. I never got more than a hand 
full of cherries a year. Also it would put out a foot (more or less) of 
new growth full of new buds. In the spring all the buds would be dead 
except the terminal buds and a few scattered flower buds. Lots of long 
skinny branches with new growth on the tips only. One August, the leaved 
turned yellow and fell a good month early. It was dead. This is EXACTLY 
how a previous North Star cherry behaved, dying a couple of years before 
I planted the Bali. Both died after the trunk was about 4 inches in 
diameter.
I sometimes wonder if the North Star left some disease in the soil and 
maybe I should try a Bali again in a different location.
Mine never produced a single sucker. I would have assumed that the ones 
that suckered were NOT own rooted. Maybe not.

Steve..... cold zone 4 in the central Adirondacks


On 7/24/2011 12:51 PM, Ernest Plutko wrote:
> Are the suckers from the grafted root?  I understand Bali is grafted
> and Evans are the original non-grafted trees.  I never had a sucker.
> Maybe I can buy a few sucker from you?  The cherries are very good
> eating.
>
> ---- Original Message ----
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> Date: Sun, 24 Jul 2011 11:44:40 -0500
>
>> The own rooted Balis will sucker profusely, but maybe you want that.
>> I planted out 75 suckers from 5 six year old trees last year.  Just
>> looked a couple days ago&  there is at least that many suckers
>> again...
>>
>> ~mIEKAL
>>
>> On Sun, Jul 24, 2011 at 11:39 AM, Ernest Plutko
>> <ernestplutko@wiktel.com>  wrote:
>>> Planted five Bali cherry trees last year.  Only one made it through
>>> the winter.  I picked a cup of cherries off it today.  I'll try to
>>> sprout the seed and plant on own root.  Should be more hardy then
>> on
>>> the Evans-Bali grafted trees.  I read the Bali grafted cherries are
>>> not really hardy in cold winters.
>>>
>>> Zone 2 Minnesota
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Greetings,

For all its worth, I have an Evans tree (more like a big bush) sending lots
of suckers. I transplanted the suckers and now the suckers are producing
fruits and I cannot tell the difference between the original Evans cherries
and the fruit produced on the suckers...

Transplanting the suckers would appear to be a practical way of reproducing
this Evans cherry tree, which would become quite invasive otherwise... I do
not understand the connection evans-bali, maybe it was explained and I just
missed it...

Evans trees are unfortunately quite susceptible to gummose, an infection
oozing orange sap which affects wild cherry trees such as prunus
pensylvanica in this area... so I transplant suckers suspecting that the
original tree won't last very long. The cherries are delectable, the issue
being to get to them before the birds...

Hélène, zone 3-4
North of Ottawa


----- Original Message -----
From: "Melissa Kacalanos" <mijwiz@yahoo.com>
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Sent: Sunday, July 24, 2011 3:07 PM
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It's possible your seedlings will be nice trees, but they won't be the
original Bali. The own-rooted Bali trees nurseries sell are from tissue
culture, not seeds.

Melissa



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From: Ernest Plutko <ernestplutko@wiktel.com>
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Subject: [NAFEX] evans-bali cherry

Planted five Bali cherry trees last year. Only one made it through
the winter. I picked a cup of cherries off it today. I'll try to
sprout the seed and plant on own root. Should be more hardy then on
the Evans-Bali grafted trees. I read the Bali grafted cherries are
not really hardy in cold winters.

Zone 2 Minnesota
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