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  • From: John S <swim_at_svc@yahoo.com>
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  • Subject: Re: [NAFEX] Richard M.'s previous missive on Che
  • Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2011 17:54:11 -0700 (PDT)

Lee, I am growing mine in an outside sheltered spot in zone 5b.  I am curious
how you determine the time to bring in and put out if you would share.  I may
have to use this strategy here to backup the plant I have.

Thanks



--- On Sun, 3/13/11, Lee Reich <lreich@hvc.rr.com> wrote:

From: Lee Reich <lreich@hvc.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [NAFEX] Richard M.'s previous missive on Che
To: "North American Fruit Explorers" <nafex@lists.ibiblio.org>
Date: Sunday, March 13, 2011, 8:18 PM

I did put a chapter on Che in my book update, now called Uncommon Fruits for
Every Garden, which was published by Timber Press in 2004.

I've grown che for a few years, but grow it in a pot that I can overwinter
indoors. I am in the colder part of Zone 5 in NY and don't think the plant
would survive winter cold here. I have ripened the fruit and, to me, it
tastes sort of like a combination of fig and mulberry. I have a male and a
female, but am still not sure of the pollination needs.

Lee Reich, PhD
http://www.leereich.com/
http://leereich.com/blog.html.

Books by Lee Reich:
A Northeast Gardener's Year
The Pruning Book
Weedless Gardening
Uncommon Fruits for Every Garden
Landscaping with Fruit






On Mar 11, 2011, at 12:32 PM, Dr. Lucky Pittman wrote:

> From November 1999:
>
> We have had Che fruit in for 7 years.  Putin both a male and female plant.
> Survived 14 below several winters ago.  Blooms after frost; has not frozen
> out in five or so years (am away from my notes), unlike our mulberry.  No
> observed disease or insect problems.  Birds are a problem, have netted the
> female.  Disease and insect resistance similar here to mulberry and fig,
> which are in same family (Moraceae).
>
> Pollination is the adventure with this plant:
> The male sets fruit but most of these fall off; a few of them will ripen and
> be identical to female fruit.  Male died to ground two winters ago; the
> female still set a full crop of seedless fruit.  The male grew back last
> year, bloomed thisyear and acted like a female by setting the largest crop
> of ripening fruit yet.  (It may be in the process of some type of
> conversion; time will tell.)  Some debate has gone on for the need of a male
> pollinator.  I'm not sure that I had any less fruit without the male two
> years ago.  Our plants are on the far side of the field and hence do not
> merit close observation; my kids eat most of the fruit with the birds.
>
> Both our plants are grafted onto Osage Orange.  Hence, if you know how Osage
> Orange does on yours or similar land, this should suffice for your site.
> A.J. Bullard let a single stem go up to 8-9 ft, and cuts all others off, he
> has a nice form as the result.  A number of our limbs on our bush are on the
> ground.
>
> Hidden Springs grafts theirs onto Osage Orange if I recall correctly; they
> do not grow seedling trees of Che.  If you mean they graft an unnamed
> "seedling", they then are no different from any other nursery, to my
> knowledge.  Don't know of anyone who has selected and named superior
> cultivars from the wild (somewhere in China?)  My impression of the one
> nursery that sells a seedless selection is that this if merely a female.  My
> sample size is too small to determine the value of two for pollination vs.
> one female.
>
> We are at 1800' zone 6, we rarely get into the 90s; we are on the borderline
> for enough heat to ripen Che fruit.  In a cool summer, defoliation in fall
> will occur before last of fruit is ripe.
>
> Ripe fruit has a strawberry color, knotty exterior like Osage Orange, tastes
> a bit like pear and fig to us; sweet but not overly so.  Strange in that
> slightly unripe fruit leaves a metallic taste in my mouth.
>
> In summary, an overlooked minor fruit.  Well worth the effort to put in as a
> carefree, dependable producer in our area.  The Blacks at Hidden Springs
> have made a jam with them.  Lee Reich plans to include a chapter on this
> plant in his second edition of 'Uncommon Fruits Worthy of Attention'.
>
> Richard Moyer
> East Tenn
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From:    "Mark Blossom"
> Subject:    [nafex] Chinese Che
>
> From: Mark Blossom >
>
> Hello,
>
> I am looking for information about Chinese Che fruit tree (Cudrania
> tricuspidata).
>
> Does anyone have experience on this fruit, or knowledge of it, or know of
> sources for trees (other than Hidden Spring, who have apparently seedling
> trees in their catalog), availability and characteristics of named
> cultivars?
>
> In particular, is it late blooming or resistant to frost on the blossoms,
> and is it tolerant if periodic inundation? These questions are relevant
> to my site, which is river bottom land in the Arkansas Ozarks, zone 6.
> Any disease or insect problems in humid midwestern climate?
>
> Thank you,
>
> Mark  Blossom
>
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In a message dated 3/13/2011 5:52:29 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
spidra@gmail.com writes:

> There seems to be some further info here:
>
> http://www.themorningstarr.co.uk/2011/03/05/penis-passion-fruit/
>
>
> Hello,
>
> I imported the picture and blew it up to get a closer look. It is a vine
> but I question if it is passiflora. Might be a first cousin.
>
> Just sticking my neck out.
>
> Jerry
>




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