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  • Subject: Re: [NAFEX] Poncirus hedge - nafex Digest, Vol 95, Issue 27
  • Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2011 19:12:27 -0500 (GMT-05:00)




-----Original Message-----
From: Steven Covacci
Sent: Jan 14, 2011 6:12 PM
To: nafex@lists.ibiblio.org
Subject: Re: [NAFEX] Poncirus hedge - nafex Digest, Vol 95, Issue 27

Hi Justin,

Sorry I just missed this post from a while back; this happens once every so often, so I apologize - and to the same should anyone be reading this that I did not respond to.  I'm located an hour north of you; I'm very familiar with your area as I hike all throughout your county, and even Somerset itself through-out the year.  It's a favorite region of mine: the piedemont.  I'm sorry that your hedge died back.  Why did it die.  After speaking with friends, some of which are on this forum, I decided that a deer fence is the only way to go for fencing - but not for fencing, the best advice I feel was to have dogs - great pyreneese.  Yet for a vegetative barrier, that idea of hazelnut seems interesting - as you can see, I'm easily tempted into futility.  I would use the native hazelnut which is common to our area of New Jersey: American hazelnut (Corylus americana).  Why don't you plant hazelnut instead of trofoliate citrus?

Steve  


Message: 3
Date: Sat, 25 Dec 2010 09:43:05 -0500
From: Justin West <cjustinwest@gmail.com>
To: nafex@lists.ibiblio.org
Subject: [NAFEX] Poncirus trifoliata (hardy orange) - invasive in the
	northeast? Deer hedge
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 Where are you located steve?  What soil type?  We have a poncirus here on
red shale that has almost totally died back.  That would be a bummer to have
your whole fence die just as it reaches maturity.  A neat but time consuming
proposition would be to lay the hedge much like they do in England with
mostly hazel.  Cutting the branches 90% of the way through and weaving them
over produces new growth, suckers upwards and thick protection as high as
you like (although it would take years to get all of this established and i
am not sure hazel would be the best choice for jersey.  maybe it would work
with something else fast growing and seemingly indestuctible like mulberry?
suerte
justin west
zone 7 somerset county nj
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Today's Topics:

   1. Hardy almonds (Deb S)
   2. Pears: visit to Brogdale collection (dwoodard@becon.org)
   3. Poncirus trifoliata (hardy orange) - invasive in the
      northeast? Deer hedge (Justin West)
   4. opinions on gooseberries (Deb S)
   5. Re: opinions on gooseberries (Lee Reich)
   6. Re: opinions on gooseberries (Bill Garthright)


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Message: 1
Date: Fri, 24 Dec 2010 20:28:47 -0500
From: Deb S <debs913@gmail.com>
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Subject: [NAFEX] Hardy almonds
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Raintree Nursery lists three varieties of hardy almond.  I am wondering if
anyone has had success growing almonds in the midwest (we are in SE Ohio
zone 6).  The catalog does mention susceptibility to brown rot, a problem we
see in peaches and cherries.  What have been your experiences with almonds
in this type of climate?

deb
Glouster, OH zone 6ish
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Date: Sat, 25 Dec 2010 08:15:10 -0500 (EST)
From: dwoodard@becon.org
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By a non-pear-expert.
See
<http://www.cookingissues.com/2010/12/14/pear-enlightenment-and-the-brogdale-farm>

Doug Woodard
St. Catharines, Ontario, Canada




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Message: 3
Date: Sat, 25 Dec 2010 09:43:05 -0500
From: Justin West <cjustinwest@gmail.com>
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	northeast? Deer hedge
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 Where are you located steve?  What soil type?  We have a poncirus here on
red shale that has almost totally died back.  That would be a bummer to have
your whole fence die just as it reaches maturity.  A neat but time consuming
proposition would be to lay the hedge much like they do in England with
mostly hazel.  Cutting the branches 90% of the way through and weaving them
over produces new growth, suckers upwards and thick protection as high as
you like (although it would take years to get all of this established and i
am not sure hazel would be the best choice for jersey.  maybe it would work
with something else fast growing and seemingly indestuctible like mulberry?
suerte
justin west
zone 7 somerset county nj
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Date: Sat, 25 Dec 2010 11:37:23 -0500
From: Deb S <debs913@gmail.com>
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Subject: [NAFEX] opinions on gooseberries
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What experiences have you had with the following varieties of gooseberry:

Black Velvet
Jewel
Friend
Jeanne

Good, bad, indifferent?  How was production and flavor?  Was the bush
vigorous?  Very thorny?

Thanks!

deb
SE Ohio zone 6ish
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Message: 5
Date: Sat, 25 Dec 2010 12:01:22 -0500
From: Lee Reich <lreich@hvc.rr.com>
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Subject: Re: [NAFEX] opinions on gooseberries
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I've only had Black Velvet and like it a lot. A very rich sweet-tart flavor, 
much like wine. A vigorous, disease free variety here in New York's Hudson 
Valley (Zone 5).

Lee Reich, PhD
http://www.leereich.com/
http://leereich.com/blog.html.

Books by Lee Reich:
A Northeast Gardener's Year
The Pruning Book
Weedless Gardening
Uncommon Fruits for Every Garden
Landscaping with Fruit






On Dec 25, 2010, at 11:37 AM, Deb S wrote:

> What experiences have you had with the following varieties of gooseberry:
> 
> Black Velvet
> Jewel
> Friend
> Jeanne
> 
> Good, bad, indifferent?  How was production and flavor?  Was the bush 
vigorous?  Very thorny?
> 
> Thanks!
> 
> deb
> SE Ohio zone 6ish
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Message: 6
Date: Sat, 25 Dec 2010 12:06:32 -0600
From: Bill Garthright <billg@inebraska.com>
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> What experiences have you had with the following varieties of gooseberry:
>
> Black Velvet


I had to move my one bush, because I didn't leave enough room, so I've 
only had berries this past year. But after replanting, it grew VERY 
vigorously, with very tall and thorny canes. Production this year was 
very good. The dark red berries were good, too - probably my 
second-favorite for fresh-eating (after Poorman, which is great, but not 
too prolific).

For what it's worth, I've got two more bushes growing up where I dug 
this one out to transplant. Apparently, I left enough root in the 
ground. No, it doesn't seem to be invasive - just vigorous. 
Unfortunately, I don't have any room for more plants. And this one 
clearly grows a lot bigger than most!


> Jewel


For me, it's been productive (again, just one bush), and it seems to 
grow a bit more upright than my other bushes. It's very, very thorny, 
like most of them. And like the rest, it makes great pie. But I don't 
like them for fresh eating, so I'll probably get rid of it.

But note that I have this problem with most gooseberry varieties I've 
tried. It's not just Jewel. If I were just wanting them for pie or 
preserves, they'd all be just fine. But I mostly want berries that are 
good fresh when ripe, or mostly ripe (a lot of gooseberries get too 
bland for me when COMPLETELY ripe), and that's harder to find, apparently.

But they grow great here in very little sun (just a few hours at 
mid-day) with NO disease problems at all. And one spray of Bt seems to 
completely eliminate the green - and very fast - worms which otherwise 
infest the berries. I don't have any other insect problems at all - and 
even the birds don't bother them! So there's a lot to like!

Bill
Lincoln, NE (zone 5)

http://garthright.blogspot.com/

-- 
Never put off until tomorrow what you can do the day after tomorrow. - 
Mark Twain
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